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Walid Shoebat’s unedited response to my appeal for reconciliation

In PERSONAL on May 16, 2011 at 14:32

Dear Mosab,

I would hope you publish our exchange on your blog as I will publish it on mine. Since many are confused, I think that we should post this dialogue.
Mosab, read carefully. I am not a man who bases my faith on emotion, but I am not immune from hurt either. And this issue pained me greatly. Let’s set the record straight. When some on your blog say to you that they are “glad that you reached out to Walid”, when the truth is—I first tried to reach out to you and our email you posted proves it.
Yet you rejected my call to you in which you expressed in your post insinuating that we wanted to recruit you for a financial agenda. My record proves beyond any doubt that I have always reached out with others who speak for the cause. I have spent over $70,000 on the Forthood massacre event, brought in speakers and paid them there due as required by our Lord, a servant is worthy of his hire. I simply wanted to open an avenue for you to speak at Universities. I have done the same for many others.
Now, your Shen Bet handler has stated I was a fraud, that he checked my records and found nothing. How could he have done this in the last few days, especially when he no longer is a Shen-Bet operative? Now I have to defend myself from his false accusations, which I must do to correct the record. For the first time in my life, you will see indeed that I am no fraud.
I understand quite well that you must also defend yourself . People asked as to why I have not written you privately. I did attempt to contact you through a brother in the past. I have sent Zachariah Izzat, an Egyptian believer and he had exchanges with you which reached nowhere. He was disappointed. In the end, I had concluded you wanted nothing to do with us.
Despite this, I never thought negative of you. I continued to defend you on radio and in churches all over the nation. There are many recording in which I am defending you. I have truly believed in you Mosab. I did not allow our lack of communication to change my views about you.
It was a day when my wife brought a video to view in which you were dressed in the Kaffieh, the very symbol of the Palestinian cause. I ignored it. Then hours later, I had thought to myself, perhaps I should pay attention. When I did, I was saddened of what I saw. Statements that were clearly intended to show that you wanted a Palestinian state.
Mosab, I am not Palestinian. I am not from Palestine. I am a Judean Arab and nothing more. I am not ashamed to say also that I am a true Zionist.
Sure, there are some Jewish extremists, but in no way can you compare the small factions to an onslaught by Arab-Muslim enemies that desires to kill every Jew alive.
I am also keen to the Palestinian-Christian ideology, which comes from the pit of hell. For Brackin to compare the Zionism of God with the Zionism of man, that tanks and armed strength of Israel is “Zionism of man” is a message from the pit of hell. Such are not your friends; such is the nature of the enemy that uses half-truths. God said that He would bring Israel back to be a great nation. This Mosab also means that God planed for a strong Israel.
While I will reach out to Arabs for the cause of Christ, I am also committed to defend the Zionist state and will fight and give my life to save the Jews. This does not mean that I follow every Jew who is an extremist, for I know well that there are extremists who have even harmed our brethren in Israel. I am not one of those.
Many always portray me as an extremist, yet they can never find a shred of evidence in which I expressed any extreme. They have falsely said things I never stated. I have never once said: “kill all Muslims”. In fact, I reprimanded one speaker once for saying such evil. I love Muslims and I hate Islam.
People are confused. They say that Mosab is still Muslim. Others say “how could he still be Muslim when he condemns Islam”. Others say “Walid is wrong, Mosab is a believer and loves Israel”.
Everyone is trying to figure out Mosab. The reason so many are confused is because they cannot add the missing link—Mosab was influenced by Al-Hayat, which is not Zionist.
Evangelicals in America are predominately Zionists. I don’t think you are Muslim. However, I do believe that you want a Palestinian state, and that you think Israel is an occupation. You have clearly stated this in Arabic. You have also stated much more which was disturbing. Yet you simply say that all this is misunderstood and that I mislead everyone for not “translating the culture”.
This Mosab is not accurate. There is no way that some of your statements in Arabic have been a “cultural mistranslation”. To only collaborate with the Palestinian Authority when Jewish children are to be killed? That there is no 911? That a Palestinian could “loose his life for reporting a terrorist attack” is an excuse?
What happened with love; to lay our lives in order to save the innocent? Instead we are to only save our own hide?
I could have understood it had you stated that you said what you said and that you repent from what you said.
Yet instead, you insinuated that I was in the financial benefit, and so did your handler. That I was collecting with my 800 number? That I did not care about Arabs who suffer?
You never denied that my translation was accurate. Yet I had to deal with a litany of accusations that I was the liar.
You might think I was targeting you. This is far from the truth. I am a man who translates doublespeak by all who express an evil intent. I was the first to translate the works of Feisal Abdel Rauf and exposed him throughout the nation. I was the first to translate Rashad Hussein’s intent to interfere with the Nuclear issues since he now works under the president of the United States. For Gonen to say that I have done nothing, sacrificed nothing—is slander to say the least.
I am now on record, and I have sent an email to Gonen to take on his issues of me being a fraud on TV. I doubt that he will take this issue on, for if he did, he would be embarrassed since I will prove my record and he will be ashamed since he has showed nothing—where is his due-diligence? It doesn’t exist. Shame on who Mosab? Yet he writes “Shame on you Walid Shoebat”.
I have never called you a fraud from the sense that I have denied your account and story working with the Shen-Bet. I did not deny your history. Yet Gonen is calling me a fraud and denying my history. One cannot compare what I did with what Gonen did. I have called you a fraud when you portrayed yourself as pro-Israel when in reality and it’s obvious, you are pro-Palestine. I hope I am wrong. In fact, I pray that I am wrong.
Trust me. Your friend and co-author will not want you associating with me. He is of the ilk of Bishara Awad and the Al-Bushra and Naeem Ateek. If you think this is the Christianity you want to follow then I must tell you that you are under the influence of evil Mosab, and it is us who truly love you. Yet you cannot see it. When the Lord comes and He judges, He will judge the nations for dividing up His land (Joel 3). Do not be on the side of evil, for Antichrist divides the land for gain (Daniel 11).
It is crucial Mosab that you understand this. For at first, before our Lord came, many taught that He comes riding on a horse, they wanted to please there pride, while others taught He comes on a donkey—a humble beast. While some might think that its no big issue on which beast He rides—the ones who thought it was the horse missed everything since He did come on a donkey and the ones who expected the horse rejected Him.
Interpreting the Bible accurately is no small issue.
Biblical text is crucial Mosab, and if the Bible says He comes again, to judge the ones that divide His land. This is clear, for the ones who think they are believers and do not care, they will suffer this error and follow Antichrist who brings a false peace and a false hope.
You need to choose Mosab—but I pray, you choose wisely.
I am reaching out in peace, but always remember, peace does not live in a vacuum; for it comes by truth, that is in the Bible.
Palestinian Christianity is no Christianity whatsoever. It is a cult from the pit of hell and I want to so much get you out of it. If one loves his blinded brother, then he must give him pain as to see he does not fall into a ditch. Love at times comes through applying hurt, tears and pain. I know that I have pained you when I wrote what I wrote. I believe what I wrote was true and indeed, I stayed sleepless nights in pain and agony—will Mosab see the errors of his ways? Palestine is of Satan.
No Mosab, your not in good hands and the ones who lead you are leading you astray. It is the ones whom you mistrust (us) that want to include you in the right path.
I have read your book diligently; may I suggest you read mine?
Indeed, you have been rejected. I have too—I lost all my property in Bethlehem, lost my family—all of them. How many times can I show you the rejection I got from Palestinian Christians. These were the so-called Christians that never shared the Gospel with us back home. Most of these are phony. Yet I believe that they have rubbed off their stench on you. The greatest pain is the rejection I get from so many Jews. Yet I never waiver—I am still a Zionist and a Christian—not a Palestinian and a Chrisian.
I was up at night when you were rejected by your father, Mosab. I was tracking everything including your court papers. I have obtained everything and watched everything regarding your case. I have made an effort to contact you through others, yet you turned them away.
Indeed Mosab, it was I that attempted to communicate with you, you never once attempted to communicate with me. If so, prove it, you can’t.
There is more to the Bible then “love your enemy”. Indeed, even if this was the only verse in the Bible, then how do I love the Jew?
I tell you how Mosab:
First, I will never pick on what he (the Jew) did to me. I will never pick on the spec in his eye, instead, I will look at the log in my Arab eye.
Second, I will give him his land—All of it. God does not give half a land Mosab. The ones who say so, are the type that gives half of everything—especially half truths.
Palestine is a psychoses and nothing more. If we call that land Palestine since the Romans gave it this name, then as might as we call the Temple in Jerusalem “Temple of Jupiter” since it was the Romans that gave it that name.
Some of your associates are feeding you half-truths Mosab. Why not come to the full truth—the whole truth—so help you God.

Walid Shoebat

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  1. Yousef – Thanks for posting this. Walid is right. I hope you see the light, Yousef. See you in Heaven if not sooner…

  2. Good to see this.

  3. Praying for both of you to find some common ground and come to a place of understanding. I think it would be good for you to sit down together with a godly mediator and have a long talk. I have found both of your life stories to be at testament to what God can do, and I’d hate to see this controversy have any further negative impact on your testimonies. Please remain in prayer about this and let the Lord lead you where He may.

  4. Mosab,
    It is good to know that you are talking. BUT I advice you to meet ALONE and talk.
    Theological diferences may happen but dont let that divide you completely.
    Walid has some good point and you will need to consider that.
    Blessings
    Rafik

  5. Mosab, I hope you and Walid Shoebat can meet and work things out. I believe that is the right thing to do and, more importantly, I feel it is what God would want.

  6. NOW I am feeling the love from Walid for Mosab. In the PJ Media article, not so much. It was very much an attack. As others here have stated, I do hope and pray that the two of you can reconcile the differences and come together as brothers in Christ. I truly feel that we are very close to, if not already in the birth pangs of the End Times. Issues regarding Israel and the Middle East are very, very important now. Mosab, the nation of Israel MUST be defended … please, I pray that you will learn for Walid and others, and from Scripture why Israel needs you so very, very much. I pray that you will learn this in your heart and soul, and finally let go of all of the lies of Islam.

    And Walid, even prior to this, there have been questions raised about the veracity of your story and history. Please take this opportunity to put those to rest, so that we can heed your words with no doubts in our hearts.

    God Bless you both.
    In Christ’s most Holy Name …

  7. Zionism does not equal historical, orthodox Christianity. You can be pro-Israel without being Zionist, just like you can be pro-Palestinian without being in support of Hamas (or any other political regime).

    Zionsim (and its cousin dispensational theology) is a minority within historical Christianity. To deny this is to cast aside the history of Christianity. Sure there was much anti-semitism, but this (anti-semitism) is wrong not because of eschatology but because of the sin of dishonoring the image of God in every person. In other words, it does not follow that you must be a Zionist (or dispy) to not be anti-semetic. Elevating a particular eschatology (like Walid did in his letter) is historically and biblically without precedent.

    My 2 cents for Mosab (and any others confused by all this): don’t fight this eschatological battle. You end up debating who is a “true” Christian on the basis of a particular eschatological view, and this is no true test of sincere faith. Don’t feed the dispensational trolls.

  8. In reference to Zionism -

    I am a Christian. I am not a Zionist. Yes, Walid, Satan is the father of division but land is not the issue, it is theology. God is not concerned with restoring land but restoring people. It is disappointing to see so many Christians fall into this belief that Israel is God’s chosen people, that God will give them this “holy land.”

    Does not Hebrews indicate that we (church) are God’s Holy people? Did not Jesus mourn for Jeruselem because of the destruction that was going to come upon it? Did He not tell the jewish priets that their father was not Abraham? The New Testament appears very open to me about the fact that we (church, no matter where you live) are Abraham’s seed and that the kingdom is here (the whole earth) and that Christ is reigning now. Did he not defeat Satan when he died and rose again?

    When Christians argue over land, for example who’s side are you on (Israel or Palestine)it seems like it is counterproductive to the mission of gospel – seek and save the lost. Both the Jew and the Muslim are anti-christ. It just means that they are against Christ. I was anti-christ before I became a Christ-follower. I am intending no name-calling. I love lost people. Christ paid for my salvation while I was a sinner,while I was actively an enemy of Christ. Zionism doesn’t make sense in the New Testament Christianity I read in Bible. Why would God promise to restore an earthy kingdom to a people that are actively against Christ? God does promise an eternal kingdom to anyone who accepts God’s gift of salvation through Christ. Let’s work together to get everyone into the eternal kingdom. Get rid of racism! Zionists kinda come off racist to me.

    • Dear Melisa:

      You forget Romans 11. The Scripture say: “I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.” and “As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father’s sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.”

      I think you are following something called “Replacement Theory” without knowing it. You should go to the Bible, Israel is the Apple of God’s Eye. God bless you.

    • Brothers,

      I am so glad to see that you are both communicating with each other, even if only through letters such as these. I would like to express the view that our focus as believers must reside in the redeeming work of Christ. To that end, let us stay humble in our communications, so that we might stand as a united church body in Christ, directing our energies towards that which brings this desperate world the Gospel message. All else is loss.

      I would also like to call your attention to an exhaustive book written by Steven Gregg.

      It is entitled: “Revelation: Four Views: A Parallel Commentary”

      This book touches on the issue of zionism and the jewish people and the relationship of these to the book of revelation.

      God bless you both

    • Sorry honey- a lot christian mixed with alot of relativism? or americianism?… And if you look at the history from the Bible and recent (last 100 years) of israel and its people.. you will see that it MUST be God’s hand upon them- even when they are NOT all followers of Christ. Miraculous at what they have survived. How is it that they are not already annihilated?!? When Millions are looking to wipe them out- The land does matter- because it is all about the Jews.

    • Study what Joel 3 says about those that “divide the land”

  9. Unfortunately people are very elementary. I can see right through this guy Walid and tell you that he is a marketer. His letter is arrogant and yet again slamming Mosab as if he’s some kid who knows nothing.

    Who said I have to share Shoebat’s sensationalist eschatology in order to be considered true pro-Israel? Do Jews share Shoebat’s eschatology? They don’t.

    And how does Shoebat ignore the fact Mosab risked his life to save lives yet pompously trying to bring in the land issue in the middle of this? What would be the land without living souls to live there?

    I pray the God of truth encourages Mosab and helps him remain whole even while he’s attacked by the likes of Shoebat and hosts of fanatical end-timers.

    • Peter, you know nothing of Walid Shoebat. I suggest you go to his website and youtube and hear his message, before you make a fool of yourself.
      Nicole

  10. Let us all agree to pray for the Wisdom of God upon Mosab and Walid.

  11. Mosab is a friend of mine…I am not here to defend him (he defended himself well with an amazing response in Christ’s love), but I am here to show him my support. Mosab is the REAL deal!! He is a wonderful man of God!! We are all far from perfect and you may not agree with everything he says, but he has always said not to look to him, but to look to Jesus Christ and the Word. Our Lord has given him the mission of showing the world the power of Christ’s unconditional love and forgiveness. He serves our Lord so well.

    OUR LORD HAS BROUGHT THIS STORY OF GONEN AND MOSAB TO THE WORLD FOR A REASON! We must take seriously God’s warning on dividing up the land. We must also live out Christ’s unconditional love. As I read the news this morning I couldn’t help but think how different things could have been for Milad Ayyash and the person that shot him…how different the outcome would have been if the teenager was like Mosab and the shooter was like Gonen. Mosab’s life shows us how Christ works in what looks to be impossible situations.

    It is our responsibility to look to God and His word for truth and direction not Mosab. God has given Mosab and all of us a unique mission. Mosab yearns for his brothers and sisters to be free in Christ. So if you disagree with some things he says pray for him, but know the enemy has a bull’s eye on his forehead so please support him and pray for him!! We must encourage our brother in this enormous task God has given him!!

    Life is so short and eternity is forever. Let’s keep on showing Christ’s unconditional love, spreading the Gospel and winning souls for Christ! John 14:6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

  12. I stand with Walid’s statement. If you people wish to argue the matter you really arguing with God Almighty, He has made the matter clear and if you wish to argue with Him and seek after a Palestinian “State” you shall have Him to contend with. He has called Israel the apple of His eye and woe to those who wish to diminish her in any way..you can argue with your Maker but know this He WILL have the last word.

    Joel 3:2
    “I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.“

    Gen. 12:3
    “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.“

    This is what the LORD says,
    he who appoints the sun
    to shine by day,
    who decrees the moon and stars
    to shine by night,
    who stirs up the sea
    so that its waves roar—
    the LORD Almighty is his name:
    36 “Only if these decrees vanish from my sight,”
    declares the LORD,
    “will the descendants of Israel ever cease
    to be a nation before me.”
    37 This is what the LORD says:
    “Only if the heavens above can be measured
    and the foundations of the earth below be searched out
    will I reject all the descendants of Israel
    because of all they have done,”
    declares the LORD.
    Jer.35

  13. Yes guys, Both of you are so important to the cause and you need to get together and support each other. Whatever the differences are, I am sure you will find common ground. Mosab, if you’ve made a mistake, then just apologize and don’t continue with it. Walid, thanks for your response, and I pray that you guys get together and team up to defeat Islam. You’re definitely doing great work. God bless both of you.

  14. 2 Corinthians 1:17 When I planeed this, did I do it lightly? Or do I make my plans in a wordly manner so that in the same breath I say, “Yes, yes” an “No, no”?

  15. Amen Walid. Jesus is not a mere Jewish Buddah. He is the God of Israel who comes back to rule from Jerusalem over a unified Israel. “blessed are all who are not offended at me”…

  16. Jesus said, “Follow Me.” He did not say, “Follow my people.” So, when you focus on Him, and Him alone, your earthly relationships fall into thier proper place. Also, Jesus said, “I am the way and the truth and the life, no one comes to the Father except through me.” He did not say, “This church or that denomination is the way.” All praise and all glory go to His Name, that we are all welcome to believe and accept His Grace.

  17. Palestine and your people may you be blessed indeed !!! May your territories increase and may the hand of G-d protect you from all evil. May the angels watch over your children as they go to school.

  18. Walid is right, he makes very true points. God will judge those who divide up His land. Take a look at what happened to Ariel Sharon. The land belongs to the Jews, ALL of it. That is completely biblical.
    On this matter Mosab needs to change his stance and agree with scripture. This is my impartial and biblical assessment of the matter.

    Secondly, it seemed rude that Mosab did not answer the first email with which Walid’s Jewish associate tried to contact him to speak. Even if to decline the offer. I have read the email and it was a friendly, hospitable email and deserved a reply. Even God’s Word tells us to show courtesy to one another. Did Mosab ignore it merely because it was written by a Jew? Or because he knew Walid to be Zionist and that stank in his nostrils?

    Walid has truthfully attempted to contact you Mosab. Regrettably he went public with his accusations when you regretably did not respond.
    I (and most other Christians, I am sure are) am saddened by the conflict that now exists between the two of you. My suggestion, Mosab, is that you get together with him privately and talk. Face to face.

    Mosab, I have been a reader and “fan” of your’s for awhile now but truth is truth and Walid does have some valid points. This situation makes me sad and i will pray for both of you to come to amends or to an understanding.

  19. Well, well Mosab. I see you’re still stirring controversary..

  20. sigh …I wish Yousef had never written that last blog post

  21. As I began to read I could feel my heart squeezing in on itself and tears began to fill my eyes, because I had come to love and admire both Mosab and Walid. I went back and read thru the beginnings of all this. My first sense was there had to be a misunderstanding and there was no doubt in my mind “the thief” would like nothing more than to destroy at least one, if not both of you and critically wound the cause of Christ. Please recognize who has come between you. We are not all the same part for the purpose. We are the Body and gifted differently. Hands, feet, mouths, veins, hearts & livers… I am not quick to side with either, except I do see Godly differences in you both. I believe Mosab, and he should not let anyone look down on him in his youth. Walid should trust him even though I know how hard this can be, and Mosab should listen to Walid because he does have some valid points. Obviously ministry takes money and there should be no shame for Walid to seek financial support. How blessed we are that you both laid down your lives for the right reason. Most of the world doesn’t deserve you, but God has an elect that does. The last thing the world needs is two of the best Arab Christians being at odds with one another. The Kingdom is counting on you. God put in me a tender heart for Muslims & I’m anxious to see some captives set free. Both of you have overcome amazing odds and whatever you need, God will provide, and this means all of us, your sisters and brothers are ready to stand in or fill in the gaps. Get together and talk things thru. I can not accept any less than we are united. God richly bless you both.

  22. HallaluYAH! Thank you, Walid for the truth you have expressed. May God bless you l’olam v’ed, forever and a little bit more. Shalom

  23. I wish Mr. Shoebat had never said anything bad about Mr. Yousef, publicly. Chirstians are not supposed to go talking bad about eachother, no matter what they do or may have done.

    We are supposed to talk privately one on one and show them their sin. If they don’t listen take two or three witnesses. If they don’t listen treat as a non believer.

    But I don’t believe Lord Jesus ever said to air issues publicly for all the world to see. You let the Lord handle people. You don’t try to handle them yourself.

    Who are people to Judge Mr. Yousef, whether he is right or wrong? God is the Judge. If you think he is wrong, show him his mistakes, privately. I am sure you could have gotten his email from someone running this blog, if you know Mr. Yousef.

    The Bible says the land is Israel’s. I am happy for you. I say enjoy your land, have at it. God bless.

    I have watched family fight over furniture my granddad made, lawsuits, lots of stuff. I hear about Israel and Palestinians fighting over land. It makes me sad. I am grateful that I don’t have a stake in that land.

    I love my Lord Jesus. I don’t care where He rules from, as long as He gets his time to be exalted. He deserves to be exalted.

    I am so grateful for the Lord, because of Him, people mean more to me than furniture. People mean more to me than land. You got your land have at it, enjoy your land. It is yours enjoy it. I am just grateful that I don’t have a stake in it and that I get to value people more than land.

    I feel compassion on the Palestinian people. They don’t understand promises of land. By the Grace of God, the Palestinian people will get Christ and have a good eternity. I have no interest in dividing land. I don’t want the land. Would not want the land. I got land here, that I am happy with, by the Grace of God.

    I just want the Palestinian people to have a good eternity. If they were oppressed anything like the Egyptians, then I am sad for them. The Palestinians may not have land, but by the Grace of God people will preach Christ to them, and they will have Christ, which is better than all the land in the world, including that land.

    Mr. Yousef, no need to join in Mr. Shoebat’s and others’ fight over land. Preach Christ to the Palestinians and then the Palestinians will have way better than land.

  24. I see how hardened some Israelis hearts are about that land. People are willing to kill for it, oppress for it, torture for it. It is your land, have at it. God bless you.

    I don’t understand valuing land more than people. It is not for me to Judge you. God bless you, enjoy your land.

  25. Additionally, I forgive Israelis for oppressing people for land, impoverishing people for land, and torturing people for land. God bless you. Enjoy your land.

  26. Walid,

    Thank you for all the hard work, pains and struggles you have to go through, just to keep us posted with the facts–also for your knowledge, wisdom and teachings of the Bible.
    I remember when you came to an “Arab Christian Church”, in California when you were a fairly new Christian. You were very excited to meet Arab believers from your same background. I remember you sang and worshiped together. They were so excited to meet you, (at least, it seemed that way) they were hugging you and praising the Lord …and boy, it was a very long service, full of emotion. The pastor came to ask you to share your testimony and of course, you said yes. But as soon as they heard you sharing how God used Israel to bring you to see the truth, our Lord and Savior: JESUS, The God of the Bible. They said thanks, but no thanks. Suddenly, all the love and excitement went out the window. When this happen, It caused you great pain –for I saw it in your face–and you were never invited again. Everyone spoke negatively about Israel in that Church. Every Arab Christian I encountered had a disdain for Israel.

    Even though many of these “Palestinian Christians” had been living in America for some time; they dismiss anyone who is pro-Israel–they rarely change. It seems, change of heart for Israel, is out of the question.

    My question is: How do you justify reading the Bible, when Israel is mentioned so many times in it? And JESUS IS JEWISH. Who are we fooling ….God?

    GOD LOVES ISRAEL. He also loves Zionism “for the cause of Zion” is in the Bible.

    ISRAEL IS THE APPLE OF GOD’S EYE.

    THE LAND WAS GIVEN TO ISRAEL BY GOD–ALL OF IT.

    Is there a different Bible? That the “Palestinian Christians” have? Where does it say “hate Zionism” ……I thought that was in the Koran (a muslim book) and “divide the land”….. I thought that is the goal of the Muslims who want to kill all the Jews from the face of the earth, especially Hamas. So which side is Mosab on when he promoted a Palestinian state?

    Walid, many years have passed since that incident, and you have not wavered in your support for Israel standing against the division of the land which Mosab supports.

    INDEED, YOU ARE A WATCHMAN ON THE WALL.

    God bless you.

    Mary

  27. i think walid is a little obsessed. i would like 2 throw my innocent-outsider-who-randomly-was-shown-this-blog 2 cents in2 the ring. mosab might want 2 consider a restraining order. why did walid make such a public attack against mosab in the 1st place? he claims over feeling snubbed about a unresponded email??? really??? i ignore half of my emails b/c i have better things 2 do. maybe mosab also had better things 2 do. i don’t personally know walid, but he comes across as just another one of those guys out seeking fame through sensationalizing fear and hate. stirring up controversy in the name of God seems like a risky pastime… but what would I know???? i’m only an innocent-outsider-who-randomly-was-shown-this-blog.

  28. Mr. Yousef, please do not play people’s games fighting over land. Instead preach Christ to the Palestinians. With Christ, I don’t think the Palestinians can be oppressed anymore.

    John 4:14 “…but whoever drinks the water I give him will never thirst. Indeed, the water I give him will become in him a spring of water welling up to eternal life.” Offer the Palestinians living water.

  29. Walid has recently published a point-by-point response to Mosab’s appeal for reconciliation

    http://www.shoebat.com/blog/

    I think he makes some good points. It is hard to argue with the Bible when it states multiple times, in very direct terms, that God’s eventual plan for the Jews includes “regathering” them into the land of their forefathers (OT Israelites), following a lengthy period of dispersion. This is Bible Truth – not Walid Shoebat truth. And seriously, ask yourself how they have been able to maintain their tiny, lone-island country surrounded by factions seeking their total obliteration for, is it 60 years now? They should have been crushed a long time ago. God is in this.

    So then the question becomes, is it God’s will the Palestinians are fighting? There is no doubt that God loves the Palestinian people intensely and has plans for them, as he does all Christians who sincerely seek/follow him. But does that mean God wants them to establish a state within the bounds of what could be considered OT Israel proper? Additionally, a reasoned perpective would tell you that a Palestinian state will not solve the problem anyway, if it is motivated/based on racism and hatred.

    Joseph, the truth is that each of us has to die to ourselves, every day, to follow Jesus Christ. True followers have to constantly examine and pray about their plans, dreams and motives, in true humility, to make sure they line up with God’s heart and his plans. Sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t, which can be hard, but God’s plans are most certainly always the very best for us. Start reading his Word – Ezekiel the whole way through, start to finish, but especially the last half; also Isaiah. Just get it out and start reading it as you would a novel. Ask God to reveal his will to you and his plan for your people.

  30. Sorry – the previous link was to Shoebat website. Here is the one to the to the specific article:

    http://www.shoebat.com/blog/archives/1038

  31. Thanks for the link Elizabeth Taylor. I will be responding here.

    First off, Mr. Shoebat stated,”What sin am I in need for your forgiveness?” God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

    May I refer you to Matthew 18: 15, 16 “If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take two or three others along, so that every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen to even the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector.”

    Mr. Shoebat should have gone to Mr. Yousef privately as per what Lord Jesus said. A lot of what Lord Jesus said is what he, obviously, got reading the Jewish book.

    I am in the process of reading Mr. Shoebat’s letter. It is a very stressful thing to do. I notice there was love in Mr. Yousef’s letter and there is much, very much aggression in Mr. Shoebat’s letter. It is almost too much aggression to want to read. I don’t like aggression and that kind of anger. God bless you Mr. Shoebat.

    I can see very clearly who has the love of Christ going on. I am sorry that Mr. Shoebat treated Mr. Yousef so badly. Reading Mr. Shoebat’s letter, I can only figure that Mr. Shoebat made his accusations, against Mr. Yousef, a public matter to try to intimidate Mr. Yousef into doing as Mr. Shoebat wishes.

    I think Mr. Shoebat is a Jew, which is fine, but he does not sound so much like a Christian to me. It is not for me to judge, but there is something missing here. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat in your fight for land. God bless you.

    I think if Mr. Shoebat really loves Mr. Yousef, he would have prayed for him and not made a public stink, getting a bunch of people involved. After reading Mr. Shoebat’s letter, Mr. Shoebat is a man I would not care to associate with. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

    Like I said before keep your land, enjoy your land. I value people more than land. By the Grace of God, Palestinians will get Christ, which is better than all the land in the world, including that land.

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat and all the hard hearted Zionists. Keep your land, I got Christ, who is the hope of Glory for all mankind, and way better than land. I love Lord Jesus!

    Mr. Yousef, please preach Christ to the Palestinians. I would stay out of all the fighting for land. All it is is a bunch of hatred on both sides. Please don’t get involved in all the hatred on both sides, either side. Please just preach Christ. Anything thing else is just a bunch of fighting and aggression, as witnessed by Mr. Shoebat’s letter.

    “Then Jesus came to them and said, All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    Mr. Yousef, I am proud of you, my Brother in Christ. I can see you got the Love of God going on. Our job is to preach Christ not to fight over land, leave that to the Jews and Palestinians who chose to fight over land. Instead, preach Christ to the Palestinians and Arabs. They need to hear Christ, not fighting over land.

    How much better to have an eternity that is happy, than a few years of living on some earthly land.

    Christ is the Freedom Arabs yearn for. Christ is the Arab man’s hope for Freedom. You got Freedom in Christ Jesus, don’t let people, on either side, drag you into their fighting over land. Share that Freedom and Love, found in Christ Jesus, with the world.

    Mr. Yousef, by the Grace of God, you will have wisdom to do the Lord’s will. Be blessed my Brother in Christ, you are a blessing and you are never alone. The Lord is always there protecting, comforting, guiding.

    “Trust in the Lord with your heart and lean not on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge the Lord and He will direct your paths.” Follow your intuition and gut, don’t let people pressure you into anything. The Holy Spirit is your ‘guide inside”.

    I find the Psalms of King David to be a comfort to me, if people come against me. Mr. Yousef, the Lord is your vindication, and He will “uphold you with His Righteous right hand”.

    Remember Lord Jesus said, “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” Matthew 5:11

    Preach Christ, the hope of Glory.

    • And by the way, if you have a bad feeling about doing something, that is your “guide inside”, the Holy Spirit, warning, don’t do it.
      Don’t let people pressure you into things.

      Pray for people who persecute you. You don’t have to associate with them, if you don’t feel good about it. You don’t have to please anybody except Lord Jesus.

  32. Hi Shayna. Thanks for your response. Are you are an official spokesperson for Joseph?

    Anyway, as Christians, feelings are not to be our guide. God’s word is supposed to be our guide. Inuition/Emotion can easily/quickly beguile a person and lead them into very big trouble. We do have to figure out what Jesus wants, which among other things, is obedience to God’s word. This will give us the very richest and fullest life. What does the Bible say? That is what matters, not feelings or intuition.

    Sometimes loving people means telling them the truth. This is what Joseph is admirably trying to do for his people. And this is what Walid is trying to do for him. The Bible can be interpreted pretty clearly on this topic. Joseph is a public figure, with a public agenda and so an apparent transgression will require a public rebuke – scripturally speaking. Paul publicly rebukes Peter for openly racist beahvior toward the Gentiles in Galatians Ch.2:

    When Peter came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he was clearly in the wrong. 12 Before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
    14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

    15 “We who are Jews by birth and not ‘Gentile sinners’ 16 know that a man is not justified by observing the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by observing the law, because by observing the law no one will be justified.

    I think Walid’s characterization of Mosab as trying to “infiltrate the church to preach hate against Israel” may be a stretch. But Joseph using the support he has gained to push for a Palestinian state within the borders of Israel coudld be a violation of God’s explicitly stated will in the Scriptures. And that is a serious matter.

    God loves the Palestinians, but does that mean he intends for them to create their own state within the borders of Israel when, as Walid pointed out, He doesn’t want the land divided? That is the question.

  33. Oh No, Elizabeth Taylor, a true Christian has the Holy Spirit. He lives inside of a true, born again Christian. Who should we follow you, Mr. Shoebat, or the Holy Spirit that resides in true Christians?

    I never claimed to speak for Mr. Yousef, I assume that is who you are refering to when you say Josheph. I believe his name is Mr. Yousef on this blog. Why are you trying to turn him into a white man and a Jew? Why can’t he be the Arab Christian he said he is?

    Since Mr. Shoebat saw fit to make accusations against my Brother in Christ, in public for all the world to see, then people like me who blog, think to comment on Mr. Shoebat, God bless him, and the situation at hand.

    Mr. Shoebat chose to make his conflict with Mr. Yousef public, so here are the bloggers commenting. Next time, if you want privacy, keep it behind closed doors, as per what Lord Jesus said or else you have bloggers like me commenting. :)

    Did you even read what I wrote, did I ever say anything about dividing that land???? On the contrary, I said keep that land. I don’t want it, would not want, you could not pay me 30 million dollars to take that land, or to set foot on that land except to provide huminatarian aid to the Palestinians (which I hope I can do one day). I feed people who are impoverished via ministries, if that is okay with you.

    KEEP YOUR LAND, I DON’T WANT IT.
    KEEP YOUR LAND, I DON’T WANT IT.
    KEEP YOUR LAND, I DON’T WANT IT.

    I have NO interest in dividing that land. None, God bless you, Elizabeth Taylor who I am writing to, named after the Elizabeth Taylor, the movie star before my time. :)

    • Shayna, when I read your posts, all I can feel is anger coming from you. I don’t think you’re a Christian. Maybe you should read the Bible concerning Israel and the Land. I know you keep saying “Keep the Land” but you’re saying it in a hateful manner.
      May the Lord Jesus give you wisdom.
      Nicole

  34. You sound angry, Shayna. I certainly did not mean to make you upset.

    The Holy Spirit’s guidance will never lead a person to actions/words that contradict the Bible. The Holy Spirit’s leading cannot be interpreted or evaluated apart form the Word.

    I’m not trying to turn Mosab/Joseph/Mr. Yousef into anything at all. He put himslef out there as a Christian leader/speaker/reformer. I’m simply trying to evaluate his message using biblical truth to see if they reconcile, which is what the Bible instructs all Christians to do per Acts 17:11:

    Now the Bereans were of more noble character than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

    I also pray abundant blessings to you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

    • Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is:

      If you read what I write you will see that I never said I wanted to divide the land. If you read what I said, I said we use the Word of God to make sure that what our intuition is telling us is in line with the Lord.

      KEEP YOUR LAND, I DON’T WANT TO DIVIDE IT
      KEEP YOUR LAND, I DON’T WANT TO DIVIDE IT
      KEEP YOUR LAND, I DON’T WANT TO DIVIDE IT

      God bless you, Elizabeth Taylor, I don’t know how to make it any more clear to you that I have no interest in dividing the land. God bless you, Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is.

      I am not angry at you, I am frustated that you are not reading what I am writing and your keep saying the same thing over and over. I DON’T WANT YOUR LAND. I DON’T WANT TO DIVIDE YOUR LAND.

      God bless you.

  35. Here is scripture to back up what I said about the Holy Spirit.

    John 3:3 “In reply Jesus declared, I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”

    John 3:5,6,7,8 “Jesus answered, I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, You must be born again. The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”

    John 14:16, 17 “I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever- the Spirit of truth.”

    John 16:7 “But I tell you the truth: It is for your own good that I go away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.”

    John 16:13 “But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own;he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is to come.”

    When a person accepts Lord Jesus as their Lord and Savior, they are “born again”, the Holy Spirit comes and lives inside the person and their spirit is reborn.

    That is why some Christians call the Holy Spirit, the “guide inside”. He is our guide. He is NOT an audible voice, that is satan. No, the Holy Spirit is a person’s gut instinct. That is how He communictes with “born again” Christians.

    (I have heard troops talk about how their gut told them it was an ambush, but their mind said, “no ambush”, and it was an ambush. That was the Holy Spirit trying to warn them in their gut, their intuition.)

    We use the Word of God, to make sure it matches with what our gut, intuition is telling us. But we don’t need men to tell us what to do. We have the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of truth.

    I can see in the Bible, not to divide the land. So, I think to not divide the land. However, the Bible does not authorize America or anyone else, I don’t see, to oppress, impoverish, deny water, or torture for that land.

    So I say to the Zionists, God bless you, KEEP YOU LAND, I DON’T WANT IT. I just want the Palestinains to be treated with decency, humanely, and with mercy.

    And if you read prophecy I think it would be to the Israelis advantage to be merciful with Palestinians, maybe they will be merciful with you, when Israel is invaded as per what we read in Daniel 11 and other Bible prophecy.

    So enjoy your land. God bless.

  36. Yes, the Holy Spirit is our “inner” guide, but the Spirit will *never* tell us to do something contrary to God’s word.

    Ezekiel tells us that God is bringing the Jewish people back into the land *not* because they deserve it, but because he is faithful to the promises he makes. This is more about God’s character than it is about the Jewish nation. He gives each of us favor/blessings that we don’t deserve and cannot earn; and He is faithful even when we turn away. Jesus Christ died for the sins of all people, whether they accept him or reject him.

    God bless you as well, Shayna.

    • Thank You, Ma’am I am very blessed and I welcome more and more blessings. Thank You. I love you in Christ Jesus.

    • I don’t think anyone is arguing with the Israelis having the land. So I don’t understand why you keep making that argument. Perhaps, you need a different blog to make that argument.

      Like I said, have at the land. I do NOT want to divide it. I think Jewish people should have the land, I would not want it.

      God bless you, Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is. I love you in Christ Jesus.

    • I forgive you and your Zionist crew for being hard hearted to the Palestinians. God bless you. Enjoy your land.

      I am Christian. That means annointed “to preach good news to the poor… bind up the broken hearted, proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for prisoners…” (Isaiah 61 paraphrased) I am not annointed to fight over land.

      I said it before, keep your land, I would not want it. I would not want to set foot on it. I have no interest in dividing it.

      Enjoy your land and your fight over land. God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is, and Zionist crew.

      How will the Lord Judge all the people who tortured and impoverished people and oppressed people for land? I don’t know. It is not for me to Judge. But I pray the Lord sees the suffering of the Palestinian people and Bahraini people and has mercy on them and helps them in Christ Jesus.

      I don’t understand how people can justify impoverishing, oppressing and torturing people for land, but the Lord will be the Judge. God bless you. Yes, the land is yours, but I don’t see where the Lord gave you authority to oppress, impoverish and torture people for land. God bless you. Enjoy your land.

  37. Mr. Yousef, it is not for me to judge people, but I notice how much hatred and anger Mr. Shoebat and others on here have going on. God bless them. If you want to associate with people like that then have at it. I pray the Lord gives you wisdom.

    My Jewish mentor once said, “there are some people in the world you give a wide birth too.” LOL

    I am reminded of how often Lord Jesus got after the Pharisees for being hard hearted. I used to be in the Zionist camp, because I was indoctrinated by preachers. I see how easy it is to be hard hearted. I was too, because that is what I was told.

    I have seen, now, how Egyptians were treated in order to maintain peace. America and crew oppressed people so we could be cushy. It was short sighted among other things.

    Sir, I pray you stay out of all the fighting and hatred over land, on both sides. There is just so much hatred, hard heartedness, and anger. God bless them.

    I don’t know how land got to mean so much to some, but I am grateful I live in America, where we got lots of beautiful land that the Lord gives us. Thank You Lord Jesus.

    The only thing that matters to them is that that land is theirs. Let them have their land. I would NOT divide the land. I would stay away from boths sides fighting over land.

    Preach Christ and the Palestinians will have better than some earthly land. Preach Christ.

    I would raise money to help Palestinians buy land elsewhere. I am serious, you could not pay me to want that land. I would encourage Palestinians to run from that land. How much hatred that land has prompted in some people’s hearts is astounding.

    Palestinians, run from that land, it is not worth that kind of hatred. There is life outside of fighting over land.

  38. Shayna, you do a lot of talking. I would recommend you be still and let the Holy Spirit be your guide to be silent for a bit–especially in a situation that doesn’t benefit from your two cents.

  39. From what I gather, Mosab was on Arab TV validating the idea of a Palestinian state within the borders of Israel. I think that is what we are discussing.

    I quote you here: “And by the way, if you have a bad feeling about doing something, that is your “guide inside”, the Holy Spirit, warning, don’t do it…if you don’t feel good about it”

    So if it feels good, do it! And if it doesn’t feel good don’t do it? Did you figure that out by reading your Bible?

    So I must hate the Palestinians because I think the Bible clearly states that God promised the land to the Jews and that He is going to restore it to them? This is where the problems begin. I love the Arab people including Palestinians, a love which has grown due to Mosab’s book. I believe if they honestly trusted God and obeyed his Word, they would see their circumstances dramatically changed for the better.

    Your argument is not with me or America, it is with Yahweh, Lord Almighty.

    • Once again, I am remined of Lord Jesus when He got after the Pharisees for being so hateful and hard hearted. God bless you, Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is.

      • I am reminded how the Pharisees used to take a few scriptures like don’t work on Sunday. And use those scriptures, found in the Word, as excuses to oppress people.

        Lord Jesus got after those Jewish religious leaders for oppressing people. That is why the Jews hated Lord Jesus so much. Lord Jesus sought to set people free from oppression in Israel.

        I see you got your few scriptures you can use to oppress people. God bless you, Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is. Lord Jesus came to set people free from oppression, free from bondage, free from intimidation, free from fear, from from lack, free from poverty, free from condemnation.

        God bless you Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is.

        Jesus is Lord to the Glory of God the Father.

  40. No Ma’am I was not arguing with the Lord, I was talking to Him about you, a few minutes ago. We were not arguing. He was listening, as He normally does, and then grants all my requests. I trust Him to bless you in whatever way He sees fit.

    No, Ma’am my discussion is with you. You try to threaten people with the Lord, but guess what, I have a relationship with Lord, He lives inside of me. Never, will Lord Jesus leave me, never will He forsake me. It is a promise. I got a Promise, too. So God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, wanna be.

    I got Covenant Too. My Covenant is in the Blood of Lord Jesus Christ. Yours is in the blood of animals. According to the Word, I got a better Covenant.

    I am not interested in your fight over land. God bless you, Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is. Please stop threatening me with your silly games. I got the Lord I don’t have to fear your threats.

    My Covenant is in the Blood of Lord Jesus. Lord Jesus loves me. The Holy Spirit lives inside of me. I don’t fear your threats. God bless you, Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is. I forgive you for being hateful to me, and harassing me with your threats.

    If you are going with the old stars, you should have gone with Marilyn Monroe. God bless you.

    • Shayna, I wish you would stop writing. You sound soo hateful!!! I don’t see Christ in you at all.
      Nicole

    • Scripture reference for when I said my Covenant better.

      Hebrews 8:6 “But the ministry Jesus has received is as superior to theirs as the covenant of which he is mediator is superior to the old one, and it is founded on better promises.”

      • Scripture reference: “…Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.” Hebrews 13:5

  41. Faith… Hope… Love

  42. It is becoming apparent to me that Shayna is a square representation of the apostate Arab/Palestinian “Christian” church to which Walid Shoebat refered. And it appears as though he was spot-on. She says she loves me but throws out all these ad hominems; I tried counting them but then decided it wasn’t worth the time. I guess what I said (or what I said the Bible said) really got her agitated! I sincerely did not mean to upset anyone. I’m just trying to figure all this out.

    Is this the “church” you are standing with and encouraging Mosab/Joseph?

  43. Elizabeth Taylor, I don’t even know Mr. Yousef, so I don’t even know his church.

    Ma’am, I forgive you for slandering me. God bless you.

    I don’t know what kind of belief system you ascribe to, but I have never seen people like you and two of the other’s on here. Definitely, have never met any Christians like you. If you represent Jews, then I have not met any Jews like you before, either. My mentor, who is a very beautiful Jewish woman, is loving and kind.

    God bless all the hard hearted Zionists on here. I love you in Christ Jesus. Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is, I love you in Christ Jesus. I forgive you for being slanderous and hateful to me. God bless you in Christ Jesus.

    Jesus is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father, and I am so blessed.

  44. And now, I have seen first hand the mentality that thinks it is okay to deny water, impoverish, oppress and torture to have land.

    God bless all the hard hearted Zionists and their cohorts in government, in the Name of Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you.

    Jesus is Lord.

  45. Shayna, does Mosab keep you around for comic relief? You are a nasty piece of work hiding behind some kind of “I’m a loving Christian” mask. You’re not. You’re prideful, insulting and you don’t seem to have any damn thing to do all day but answer comments on this page, from the look of it. Maybe you have a crush on poor Mosab!

    In your book, anyone who has taken the time to read Romans 9 through 11 is a heart hearted Jewish Zionist, and you say it like it’s a bad thing….Strange from a woman who has a Yiddish name.

    You don’t need to respond, I’ll save you the trouble:

    “From Shayna:

    God bless you, ma’am. I don’t know who you worship but I am saved, but the Blood of the Lamb. I don’t know who saved you, maybe it’s your land, God bless you. (She uses it like a curse)Keep your land, I have my own (anyone tell her it belonged to the Native Americans first?)
    You must be a Jew, God bless you (but she doesn’t) You believe in torture and oppression, but God bless you.God bless you. God bless you. I never want to have anything to do with you, or your (stupid) land, but God bless you”

    There Shayna, whoever you are. Fixed it fvor ya!

    • “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your (my) reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.”

      I am rejoicing and laughing. I love you in Christ Jesus. You and your crew apparently walk in darkness, and have no idea on what you stumble. God bless you, Janet Kingan.

      Lord Jesus LOVES Me. Jesus is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father and I am so very blessed, and getting more blessed everyday.

      For you to treat me how the Pharisees treated Lord Jesus, is the most flattering thing I think I have ever experienced. I am a girl, but if the Pharisees of today are slandering me, then I am flattered. God bless you, Janet Kingan.

  46. Can you say that one more time Janet? It was so refreshing.

    Shayna, you do a lot of talking. I would recommend you be still and let the Holy Spirit “be your guide” to be silent for a bit–especially in a situation that doesn’t benefit from your two cents. Your comments need to be blocked from this blog.

  47. I am not reading hateful things. God bless you Janet Kingan. I forgive you for slandering me, and being hateful to me, and maligning me. I forgive you in Christ Jesus and I love you in Christ Jesus.

    I don’t know Mr. Yousef, but I am proud to call him my Brother in Christ Jesus. God bless you, Janet Kingan.

    Jesus is Lord.

  48. 1 Peter 2:6 “See, I lay in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame.”

    1 Peter 2:7 “…The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone, and, A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall.”

    1 John 4:2 “This is how you recoginze the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God.”

    1 John 4:4 “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.”

    Lord Jesus Christ in me is Greater than he who is in you Janet Kingan and the lady who calls herself Elizabeth Taylor.

    God bless you, I love you in Christ Jesus and I forgive you, in Christ Jesus, for slandering and maligning me. God bless you.

  49. I tried to look at this through the point of view of a third person. But I can’t get past Mr. Shoebats’s tabloid style expose. This is not the way God ever meant for a Christian to treat another Christian or a non-Christian. So many verses just jump to my mind. Matthew 18:15-20, Matthew 7:1-5, Matthew 18:6(it seems Mr. Shoebat just says things out of spite rather than real Christian love) Leviticus 19:17-18, Deuteronomy 6:4 and many others. I think of all the love Jesus showed all people who were in the land at the time. No Jesus isn’t a Jewish Buddha He is much more a Savior of sinners, all sinners who believe on Him, whether the be Jews or Gentiles. Even if Mr. Shoebat is right, which considering his actions would be a very large leap, it still does not justify his actions. This battle Mr. Shoebat is trying to fight is a sham as God is in control of the Middle East and Israel and needs no help from a man like Mr. Shoebat.
    Beware and watch his words. In the initial article he attacked Mr. Yousef as though he is not a Christian, but when confronted as one to Christian to another he quickly claims he is trying to reach out to Mr. Yousef and correct his dangerously incorrect theology. While continuing to claim he is against the state of Israel, which I have yet to see any real evidence.
    When I first read this Mr. Yousef’s original response to the PJ Media article the first thing that came to mind was 1 Corinthians 9:19-23, it still stays in my mind. As Christians we all have different gifts and different ministries but we all have the same commission to be a witness for God throughout the world (Acts 1:8). If Mr. Yousef went a little too far in order to keep the respect of the Palestinian people, so he could continue to be a witness to them God still knows his heart, and I can’t judge him because I have said stupid things when attempting to witness as a young Christian before my knowledge of the gospel became much fuller. Nor knowing the fill situation do I believe he truly said something wrong.
    Mr. Yousef please be careful of Mr. Shoebat. I would like to say this is the first time I have come across another Christian trying to tear down another Christian over some silly small-minded theology debate, unfortunately my own father would often tear down other Christians using the Internet. (Never face to face that would be too intimate of a setting and he might lose control of the situation.) From my own personal experience of watching my father take delight in tearing down others testimonies I would suggest you continue to defend yourself in a Christian manner as you have been. Do not meet with him until he gives you public apology for attacking you over the internet. If you do meet with him, do not do it alone. Don’t do a live feed or public battle, but do have at least two to three witnesses in the room and use a recording device because his kind always tries to take others words and twist them into something they are not.
    Most importantly please keep Mr. Shoebat in your prays. My father could never admit he was wrong on the internet or in his personal life. He lost out on the best things in life because of this. Hopefully Mr. Shoebat doesn’t take this attitude into his personal life as well, but regardless he needs prayers.

  50. Shayna is obviously starving for attention. Get some meds honey.

  51. Romans 8:1 “Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus…”

    Isaiah 54: 17 “…no weapon forged against(me)will prevail, and (I) refute every tongue that accuses (me). This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and this is their vindication from me, declares the Lord.”

    Isaiah 50:7,8 “Because the Sovereign Lord helps me, I will not be disgraced. Therefore I have set my face like flint, and I know I will not be put to shame. He who vindicates me is near.”

    I love the Word of God. Lord Jesus is the Word of God.
    1 John 1-5 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God. He was with God in the beginning.

    Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men. The light shines in the darkness, but the darkness has not understood it.”

    1 John 1-3 “That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our own eyes, which we have looked at and our hands have touched- this we proclaim concerning the Word of life. The life appeared; we have seen it, and we proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and has appeared to us. We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son, Jesus Christ.”

    Luke 6:22-23 “Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man. Rejoice in that day and leap for joy, because great is your reward in heaven. For that is how their forefathers treated the prophets.”

    Luke 6:27-28 “But I tell you who hear me: Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.”

    • @shayna, you should try this for a while. Forget about the new testament and read the old testament for once in your lifetime. Get to know god completely, not just the last part of his relationship to israel and mankind. What you’ll find out is that god made thousands upon thousands of declarations which are in relationship to israel. Forget about the new testament. IF JESUS DID NOT CONFIRM THE PROPHETS BEFORE HIM, THEN HE IS NOT THE MESSIAH! PERIOD! There is absolutely no room for a branch that is not attached to the root. A branch that is NOT attached to the root is a branch that is DEAD! If you think that god has abandoned israel, that he has forsaken her, then you are SORELY mistaken! In fact the everlasting blessing is still very much in effect. It is in ISRAELS name that all the nations will be called and it’s israel which is the kingdom of christ. HE IS THEIR MESSIAH! Not the messiah to the gentiles! He is the king of the jews… Think about this…. You hate gods subjects, THE JEWS! BECAUSE HE IS THEIR KING! You want to be grated into israel?? THen better pray that they are holy and the apple of gods eyes, because if they’re not, your not either! YOu want to be jesus’ subject?? Then better pray that israel is, because if they’re not. YOU’RE NOT! Forget about it…. It’s because of the patriarchs: Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that there is salvation. If you think you support the root… The root supports you! If you think israel lives because of you…. YOU LIVE BECAUSE OF ISRAEL! Do you think god bewed himself to a nation to save you??? And throw them away???? You’ll be surprised! He has made thousands upon thousands of declarations and one of them is: IIsa 49

      22Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders. 23And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

      You think god is joking??? You shall lick the dust off their feet… If god says such a thing, you better start the licking….. You wanna know why you will be licking??? Because you were kicking…..

  52. @shayna. You also wrote that the “palestinians”. Whatever that means….. You mean the arab judeans? The arabs that occupied judea and samaria and settled there and the children they begotten that were born in that land?? You write that they have some sort of claim to the land. Yes, the lord, the god you were referring to has a claim about them too.

    Joel 3

    1For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem,

    2I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land.

    3And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.

    4Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

    5Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:

    6The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

    7Behold, I will raise them out of the place whither ye have sold them, and will return your recompence upon your own head:

    8And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

    9Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:

    10Beat your plowshares into swords and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.

    11Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.

    12Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.

    Because they have sold the jews, because they have driven them off their own land. Thats the reason god is giving them into the hands of israel. And thats the reason why god is driving them out of the land they have plundered, WHICH BELONGS TO GOD! You say love your enemies and endure evil and don’t resist the evil one. But you then turn right around and say: Resist the punishment when god is doing the punishing! If you want to live in israel, then live as a guest in the land god gave to his people. If you don’t want israel to be the people to whom god gave that land, then get out… There’s enough room in the rest of the world for you to plunder.

  53. If Shayna represents the Palestinian “christian church” then “psychoses” (Walid’s term) would be an apt description. It is indeed very sad. Her modus operandi is to bully/attack anyone who does not share her “truth” that Israel is an oppressive enemy. She is absolutely obssessed with my name; she cannot stop making fun of it!!
    It’s hilarious!! Because it’s the same name as a movie star, it couldn’t possibly be my name? :-) But I guess that’s all she can do.
    And I have to accept that this is the level of logic by which she evaluates her world.

    Mosab, I am very disappointed if this is who you are teaming up with.

    For those of you who may be truly interested in learning more about what the Bible has to say on the regathering of the Jewish people to Israel (the land God PROMISED to Abraham’s descendants); I went back and skimmed all the Old Testament prophets (major and minor) and this *promise* is *all* over the place. It made me wonder what the apostate Arab/Palestinian church does about these 17 books of the Bible — I guess they are apocryphal now?…talk about picking and choosing your Scriptures?!

    Anyway, as I said before, this is more about God than about the Israelites. He promised that land to Abraham’s descendants and He keeps his promises. He keeps his promises to them and to you and me. Are they perfect or do the Jewish people deserve it? – No. But neither did you or I deserve *anything* we have, most notable Jesus’ suffering and death in our place.

    I firmly believe that if the Palestinian people would stop “resisting” (Mosab’s term) Israeli authority and submit themselves to it, they would see their lives dramatically improved for the good. As it is right now they are fighting God’s will for that land, as clearly defined many different places in Scripture, and there’s just no way they will win or “have their victory over Israel” (again quoting Mosab)

    • @Elizabeth. There is absolutely no way the palestinians will stay in that land. If that happens then our bible is a book full of fairy tales. I repeat Joel 3:8And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far off: for the LORD hath spoken it.

      I mean if god is a liar then our bible is a book of fairy tales. I mean if he says tomorrow you will live or die then better make peace with it. There is no way you are going to cheat god. He punishes and he heals. And who can demand back what god has taken away??? There are many in sheol who would like that. But if god takes then it’s gone! Resistance is futile.

      • Christian,

        As I read my Bible, the nation of Israel has accepted “aliens” all through its history and instructed they be treated fairly in accordance with Levitical law; some even found their way into the bloodline of Jesus Christ! I’d have to go back and research to respond more fully. I don’t think God means that every “Palestinian”/non-Jew has to be kicked out of Israel. This is an issue mainly of sovereignty/ownership as I read it, throughout the whole of the land. BTW, I don’t think my Bible is full of fairy tales!

    • @Elizabeth, I mean god is so clear on this… Tyra and Sidon is lebanon, the PLO. The palestines… Come on now who is talking???? God… He’s talking about NOW!!! He starts the story with: Do you feel you you want revenge against me because i’m bringing back my people to their own land?? I will pour out your blood on your own head!

      What does he say to them??? I will give you into the hands of Judah and they will sell you to a land far off! And he finishes it with his final warning… The Lord has spoken.

      I mean when god tells me that i will go in captivity for 70 years and i have to submit myself to the king of babylon, then better prepare before all your sons are killed in the process. Don’t mock this prophet… But it’s all they can do… Mock god… So we all know whats going to happen.. Their children are going to face the rock. Because he upon whom this rock falls will be crushed.

    • God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is, for slandering me. I forgive you in Christ Jesus and I love you in Christ Jesus. God bless you.

    • I will donate money today to Mr. Shoebat. I forgive you Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is and your crew for slandering and maligning and harassing me. God bless you. I love you in Christ Jesus and I forgive you. God bless you and your crew and Mr. Shoebat. I figure you speak on his behalf. God bless you all.

  54. Elizabeth, I don’t think Mosab has teamed up with this troubled woman, I think she’s just attached herself here like a barnacle.

    You are absolutely right that this is not about Jews or Israel, but about God. The Jews are a “proxy” for the rest of us in the sense that as a People, they are no different than all mankind. God “chose” them so the rest of us could learn about God and his promises.

    Right now, making the rounds of the film festivals, is a documentary about a Gaza child whose life was saved by an Israeli doctor. The mother is on film saying she hopes the child grows up to be a suicide bomber and kill Israelis. Now maybe she has to talk like that so her neighbors wont think she’s a collaborator, but isn’t that also very very sick?

  55. Some other food for thought from Ezekiel 36:

    “Son of man, prophesy to the mountains of Israel and say, ‘O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the LORD. 2 This is what the Sovereign LORD says: The enemy said of you, “Aha! The ancient heights have become our possession.”’ 3 Therefore prophesy and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because they ravaged and hounded you from every side so that you became the possession of the rest of the nations and the object of people’s malicious talk and slander, 4 therefore, O mountains of Israel, hear the word of the Sovereign LORD: This is what the Sovereign LORD says to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys, to the desolate ruins and the deserted towns that have been plundered and ridiculed by the rest of the nations around you— 5 this is what the Sovereign LORD says: In my burning zeal I have spoken against the rest of the nations, and against all Edom, for with glee and with malice in their hearts they made my land their own possession so that they might plunder its pastureland.’ 6 Therefore prophesy concerning the land of Israel and say to the mountains and hills, to the ravines and valleys: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: I speak in my jealous wrath because you have suffered the scorn of the nations. 7 Therefore this is what the Sovereign LORD says: I swear with uplifted hand that the nations around you will also suffer scorn.
    8 “‘But you, O mountains of Israel, will produce branches and fruit for my people Israel, for they will soon come home. 9 I am concerned for you and will look on you with favor; you will be plowed and sown, 10 and I will multiply the number of people upon you, even the whole house of Israel. The towns will be inhabited and the ruins rebuilt. 11 I will increase the number of men and animals upon you, and they will be fruitful and become numerous. I will settle people on you as in the past and will make you prosper more than before. Then you will know that I am the LORD. 12 I will cause people, my people Israel, to walk upon you. They will possess you, and you will be their inheritance; you will never again deprive them of their children.

    Now let’s take a closer look at verse 2:

    The *enemy* said of you, “Aha! The ancient heights have become our possession.”’

    Who does Almighty God identify as the “enemy”?

    Shayna/Mosab, are you trying to tell us that it is Israel?

    • Once again, Ma’am I have stated over and over.

      I DO NOT WANT TO DIVIDE THE LAND.
      I DO NOT WANT TO DIVIDE THE LAND.
      I DO NOT WANT TO DIVIDE THE LAND.

      God bless you Ma’am for being a slanderer. God bless you Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is for slandering me.

      I DO NOT WANT TO DIVIDE THE LAND.
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      Ma’am do you and your crew see the word NOT in there?

      God bless you Ma’am and crew for slandering me. I forgive you and love you in Christ Jesus. I don’t know your deal is, but I forgive you for slandering me. God bless you Ma’am.

    • God bless you Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is and crew. I will donate money to Mr. Shoebat or to a Jewish cause that you would like as a way of saying, “I love you and I forgive you for slandering, maligning and harassing me”.

      God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is and Mr. Shoebat, who I think you are speaking on behalf of. God bless you all in Christ Jesus.

    • Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is, I will donate money today to MEIR PANIM, RELIEF CENTERS IN ISRAEL. I forgive you for slandering and maligning me repeatedly. God bless you.

      I am donating for myself and I will donate on behalf of Mr. Yousef. I don’t know my Brother in Christ, but if you have treated him anything like you and your crew have treated me, then you make me cry for my Brother in Christ.

      God bless you Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is, Janet Kingan for slandering me also and Mr. Shoebat and crew. I love you in Christ Jesus and I forgive you and your crew for slandering and maligning me. God bless you all in Christ Jesus.

      Jesus is Lord.

  56. I recommend the book “Whose Promised Land?” by Colin Chapman.

    I’d hardly say all Christian Arabs are “apostate” simply because they do not support this modern Zionist state. I know people whom I have no doubt they are born again, yet they don’t have the same dispensational views as most commenting on this blog. “Whose Promised Land” is Scriptural and balanced. I challenge you to take a look.

  57. Hello again Susanne!

    I didn’t say *all* in the Arab/Palestinians church are apostate. I said Shayna appears to represent that (majority) view/element, which has departed from the Scriptures for the sake of a political cause and is therefor giving credibility to Walid’s charges.

    This has nothing to do with dispensational theology, really. I know you have done a lot of reading on this topic but what about the Bible? Why does everyone read everything BUT the Bible for commentary on this issue? What do you think about the Scripture I cited above? You and Shayna cannot answer because it *is* in there – all over!! I did not write the Holy Scriptures. I cannot help that the land was promised to the Jews.

    What kind of God would YHWH be if he makes promises and then can’t/doesn’t keep them?

    He promised *lots* of land and blessing to the sons of Ishmael also, which they have received in full, and all they can think about is the tiny, little parcel of land God gave the Jews.

    • God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is. Once Again.

      I do NOT want to divide the land.
      I do NOT want to divide the land.
      I do NOT want to divide the land.
      I do NOT want to divide the land.
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      I do NOT want to divide the land.
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      I forgive you Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is for slandering me. God bless you in Christ Jesus.

      In the Name Above All Names, in Name of Lord Jesus Christ, Please stop slandering me, Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is. God bless you in Christ Jesus. I forgive you in Christ Jesus. God bless you in Christ Jesus.

      Jesus is Lord.

  58. This is probably the “church” that Carl Medearis supports, correct?

    I can’t imagine he would actually show them what the Bible really says; they might reject Christianity altogether which could mean doom for his ministry.

    Please note that I have *never* questioned/doubted anyone’s salvation over these matters or in the course of this discussion.

    Did you or Shayna answer my question about “Who” Ezekiel is calling the “enemy”?

    • God bless you Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is. I forgive you for slandering me. I love you in Christ Jesus. I am donating to MEIR PANIM, RELIEF CENTERS IN ISRAEL. I forgive you for slandering and maligning me repeatedly.

      God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is, in Christ Jesus.

      I do NOT want to divide the land.
      I do NOT want to divide the land.
      I do NOT want to divide the land.
      I do NOT want to divide the land.
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      In the Name of Lord Jesus Christ please stop slandering me. God bless you. I forgive you for slandering me. God bless you in Christ Jesus Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is.

    • Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is. Lord Jesus Christ in me is Greater than he who is in you.

      LORD JESUS CHRIST IN ME IS GREATER THAN HE WHO IS IN YOU.

      God bless you in Christ Jesus. I am starting to feel compassion on you. God bless you in Christ Jesus.

      1 John 4:4 “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.”

      JESUS IS LORD to the Glory of God the Father, and I am so blessed.

  59. Evidently, being exposed to God’s word has pushed Shayna over the edge.

    Shayna, I did ask you if you wanted to divide the land. I asked you if you agree with Mosab (per his TV interview) that Israel is an enemy to be resisted?

    Can you answer?

    • Ma’am I did not see his tv interview. How can I comment on something I know nothing about. God bless you.

      I forgive you for slandering me, Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is. All the evil you say against me comes upon yourself. God bless you in Christ Jesus.

      By the way, I have the mind of Christ which is peace and life in the Holy Spirit. I will get the scripture reference for you in a minute. God bless you.

      Lord Jesus Christ in me is Greater than he who is in you. God bless you in Christ Jesus. I forgive you for slandering me.

      If you read the Bible it is a very serious thing to slander. God bless you Elizabeth Taylor or whatever your name is.

  60. Susanne, do you think Israel is an enemy to be resisted?

  61. Shayna is avoiding the question.

    Shayna, why won’t you go on record to testify that Israel is an “enemy to be resisted”?
    Do you view them as an enemy?
    Should they be resisted because they are a criminalist occupation?

    • I believe what the Bible says. Lord Jesus will come back and rule and reign from Israel.

      God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is.

  62. Notice the incoherence of Shayna’s psyche (the apostate Palestinian church psyche). Basically, all I did was quote some Scripture and I have “spoken slander against her”

    • God bless you Elizabeth Taylor. I forgive you for slandering and maligning me. I love you in Christ Jesus.

      Lord Jesus Christ in me is greater than he who is in you.

      1 John 4:4 “You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world.”

  63. Shayna, you don’t want to come out on record against Israel, but neither can you “approve” of them?

    I never heard of Walid Shoebat until a few days ago but he may be right about this — this issues forces us to “choose up sides”. Maybe that’s what God intended from the beginning? I had not considered it that way before.

    Consider James 1:8
    …he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.

    or the Laodicean church of Revelation
    “So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth”

    Zechariah 12:3
    On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves.

    …interesting to think about!

    Anyway, I really do love you too, Shayna, and pray for the very richest blessings of God upon your life, in the name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ! :-)

    • God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is, for slandering me. I love Israel and I love the Israeli people. My mentor is Jewish. I don’t think you and your crew represent Jewish people. I think Jewish people are kind.

      I believe Israel has a right to that land, as per what I read in the Bible.

      God bless you Elizabeth Taylor, or whatever your name is, for slandering me. The Lord knows your heart and He knows my heart. You try to put words in my mouth. I forgive you for slandering me. God bless you person who calls yourself Elizabeth Taylor.

  64. The problem I see here is that representatives of two forms of heterodox Christianity are arguing: Gnostic Christianity versus Dispensationalist Christianity.

    Gnostic Christians do not believe in church or religion. It is all a matter of the heart. They are extremely uncomfortalbe with physical reality. It is all “spirit” to them. So things like, “keep your land!” and a veiled (and sometimes not so veiled) anti-Semitism taints their thought. The anti-Church aspect is an extention of the anti-Synagogue aspect. “I just have Christ in my heart,” etc. The very physical parts of the Bible, especially the Torah, the Prophets and Hagiographa are often ignored or disparaged. They like to quote from the NT and especially the more esoteric parts of John, his gospel and epistles.

    The Dispensationalists, on the other hand, impose a false “Last Days” scenario on Biblical prophecy, which, of course, does not fit except by doing violence to the Scripture. The Orthodox Jewish position on Last Days prophecy has always been that Israel and Judah are restored to the Holy Land when Messiah comes, not before.

    Zionism, as it is known today, is a secular Jewish movement that many religious Jews joined only after the modern State of Israel was established by the secularists. The religious then began to reinterpret and second-guess Biblical prophecy like Christian Dispensationalists.

    A small outspoken minority of Orthodox Jews still do not accept the Zionist State. We still hold to the Orthodox Jewish position: we are to remain subject to the nations and accept our diaspora condition until Messiah comes and redeems us. If, when Messiah comes, he turns out to be Jesus, then Barukh Hashem, praise G-d. (According to our tradtion, written in Talmud, there are two Messianic comings: Messiah ben Joseph and Messiah ben David. Jesus did fulfill prophecy concerning Messiah ben Joseph, who would be “pierced for our sins.” [Zechariah 12:10])

    It seems to me that Yousef tends toward the Gnostic Christian position and Walid toward the Dispensationalist Christian position. In the end, I fear, both are going to be disappointed.

  65. Zechariah 12:10-13 “And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him… On that day the weeping in Jerusalem will be great… The land will mourn, each clan by itself, with their wives by themselves…”

    Zechariah 13 “On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.”

    Zechariah 14 8,9 On that day living water will flow out from Jerusalem, half to the eastern sea and half to the western sea, in summer and in winter. The Lord will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one Lord, and his name the only name.”

    Revelation 19 11- ” I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but himself. He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God… On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.”

    Revelation 21:1,2 “Then I saw a new heaven and new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away,… I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband…”

  66. Elizabeth, actually Carl isn’t an Arab so no I wasn’t talking about him although I like him very much. And he goes to Arab lands telling them about Jesus so I’m not going to fault him on what he shares. That’s between him and the Holy Spirit. (As far as I know he goes looking for Jesus everywhere. :) )

    I have an Arab Christian friend who works with the Navigators and he was the main one I was thinking about. Really, if you read the book I recommended, you’d understand another point of view that does take those Scripture verses you cited into account *and* includes the whole Bible – and Jesus – in the context! I do look at the Scriptures you mentioned, but I also realize others interpret them differently. Some believe the return of the Jews happened already.

    I’m not saying the current Zionist State of Israel is an enemy to be resisted. But I’m also not saying this current Israel is the “blessing to all the nations” that so many of my fellow evangelical Christians believe it to be. I think if we want Israel to have the land as God intended, we would bless her (Gen.12) by pointing her back to God. Not by okaying her oppressive and murderous ways. (Yes,I know..it’s all self-defense.) God is clear how Israel should treat the strangers in their land ‘as brothers’ (see Leviticus). Yet I have missionary friends in the West Bank who say it is an apartheid state. They work with both Israelis and Palestinians to bring about peace.

    For the record,I don’t know Shayna at all. I agreed with one comment of hers on a previous post about Arabs being sweet (or however she worded it), but that was before I saw her numerous other comments.

    Good hearing from you, Elizabeth! :)

    • God bless you, Susanne430. What religion are you guys? I have never seen anything like you guys before. God bless you.

      I have been around Christian people all my life. The Christian people I have met in my life have been kind and loving. God bless you guys.

  67. Dean, thanks for your perspective. I am not trying to fit my view into a theological/eschatological prototype. I am simply saying that when you straight-up read the Bible text, especially the OT prophets, it becomes abundantly clear that God’s plan is to bring the Jewish people back into OT Israel and that He considers those who try to oppose his will, enemies. I suppose one could try to spiritualize all those verses but in order ot maintain a consistent hermeneutic, you’d have to do that with myriad other verses such as all the propechies about 1st coming that we like to take very literally.

    Susanne, I don’t think I said Carl was Arab; I said he supports/ministers to the Arab/Palestinian church. I think Arabs are very sweet too. I have an American Christian Arab friend from college. I was in her wedding, in fact! She was married in an Arab- Christian church and has been an excellent friend to me through the years. But Christians like Shayna have departed from the Word in favor of a political cause and that is a problem, not something to be encouraged/supported.

    Of course, Israel, like any other country needs to be held accountable for crimes/wrongs it may have committed, but that’s not the issue here.
    We’re talking about ownership of the land – who has the right of sovereignty within its boundaries? When you read the OT, it is *very* obvious that God’s plan for Palestine/Israel is to bring the Jewish people back into it after a prolonged period of dispersion. Not only that, all this strife, oppression, murdering, terrorism is prophesied!! And it’s not blamed on Israel! God straight up says that those who divide his land will be judged and those who claim the land as their own are “enemies”, in multiple different places/contexts. I don’t see how you can do an honest read and somehow get around that.

    • God bless you Elizabeth Taylor. The Lord knows my heart and yours. I forgive you for slandering me. You don’t know me.

      But I learned, the past two days how the Pharisees treated Lord Jesus. God bless you person who calls yourself Elizabeth Taylor.

      • Shayna, please stop it!!!!! You are the most hateful person on this blog. You just can’t stand it, that Elizabeth and others make a valid point. You didn’t even see the Video of Mosab speaking to the Arab Media, so you should not comment on something you have not seen.!!!!! Your hate is unstoppable, unbearable!!! Your hate for Jews is very clear to all of us that read your hate writings. I suggest you read the WHOLE Bible, not just the parts that you like.
        Please stop it!!!!!

    • Obviously, Elizabeth, you are a devoted student of the Bible. The problem I fear with prophecy is Daniel 11:14 and Zechariah 13:8. I am a student of the Torah Code and there are encryptions in the range of these prophecies that do not look good for the modern State of Israel. So what are we doing wrong? I ask myself.

      It has been pointed out to me by Christian friends that Jesus said, “Salvation is of the Jews.” (I believe he said this in talking to the Samaritan woman?) I have studied the NT and Christianity. And I see that without the Jewish foundation there would be no Christianity. But we Jews carry a heavy burden in all this, it seems to me. I’m not complaining, but we’ve gotten it wrong before and could be getting it wrong now.

      For example, I believe we did get it wrong with Jesus. I don’t know if we could go as far as the Christology of the Church Fathers, the Doctrine of the Trinity, etc. But that he was a Messianic figure and most likely Messiah ben Joseph–well, it seems to me to have been the case.

      But I have moved from being a liberal Jew to a kind of Scripturalist Orthodoxy based on my study of the Torah Code. The things found in the Code could not be there by accident. [It is even encrypted in Psalm 22, a short psalm, "Yeshua Machiach," at a skip of 45 ("Jesus is Messiah.")]

      Here is my problem: In Daniel 11:14–” . . and the children of the violent among thy people shall lift themselves up to establish the vision, but they shall stumble (fall).” Encrypted here in Hebrew is “ve-ha-Tzionim,” (“and the Zionites.”) Zionites would be the children of the Zionists. But the text says they shall stumble or fall.

      Then in Zechariah, in “Kal ha-Aretz,” (“all the world [land]“), 2/3rds of our people will be cut off or destroyed. One-third will be brought “through the fire.” Before WWII we had 18 million Jews world-wide. We lost 6 million, reducing us to 12 million. But the prophecy says we will lose 2/3rds.

      Then I read in the Christian Scripture (NT) book of Revelation about the seven seals. It appeared to me they have to do with periods or epochs. The 1st (White Horse)–Age of Imperialism. 2nd (Red Horse)–Age of Marxist Revolutionary Movements. 3rd (Black Horse)–Rise of Fossil Fuel Economies. 4th (Pale Horse)–World Wars. 5th–Souls under the altar of G-d who died for their witness of G-d, i.e., the Holocaust. But the number who must die has not been reached. What is that number?

      2/3rds of 18 million is 12 million. Thus I fear, are we going to lose another 6 million Jews “for their witness of G-d?” Jews, by our existence, whether we are good, bad or indifferent; believers or agnostic Jews; religious or secularist are, by our existence alone, witness to the Sinai Event. And we are the people through whom Jesus came to the Nations. So the people who hate Jesus, hate the Jews, too, and if they hate the Jews, they also hate Jesus, regardless of what they appear to proclaim.

      But again, the Orthodox Jewish teaching on prophecy is that we and the land will only be restored when Messiah comes, not before. At that time, the lion and lamb will lie down together in peace. All nations will go up to Jerusalem to worship G-d. And G-d will be One and His Name One.

      So, the Last Days scenario I see differently than the Christian Dispensationalists and the Jewish Zionites who are trying to “establish the vision.” As for Gnostic Christians, Gnosticism, though it contains some truth, is a form of false religion. Scratch very far on the Gnostic wall and you will find a hidden hatred of the TaNaK–Torah, Nevim (Prophets) and Ketuvim (Writings or Hagiographa).

  68. Elizabeth, I’m not debating whose land it is. It can be for the Jews for all I care. But the whole way this current Israel was established doesn’t seem like God’s way. He dispersed them due to their disobedience and the way they established this current land seems wrong. I thought when they came back to the land it would be as people committed to Him? (I think Dean alluded to this for his people coming back when Messiah established it for them.)

    I can understand the frustration of the Palestinians who were there and got pushed off the land. You may claim (rightly so) that it doesn’t matter because it belonged to the Jews, but not everyone believes the Bible so it’s good to keep in mind “the Bible says so” doesn’t work for the majority of the people in the world. But since when does God care what people think of Him so yeah maybe you are right and the way this current Israel was established was His way. Deceitful and murderous though it was.

  69. It matters little what you or I *think* about how God accomplished his mission. Plus, honest Arabs say they were “Judean Arabs” before they became occupied and oppressed as “Palestinians” (overnight)

    Ezekiel specifically says God is going to bring them back *in spite* of their wayward attiutude (3 different times in Ezekiel):

    16 Again the word of the LORD came to me: 17 “Son of man, when the people of Israel were living in their own land, they defiled it by their conduct and their actions. Their conduct was like a woman’s monthly uncleanness in my sight. 18 So I poured out my wrath on them because they had shed blood in the land and because they had defiled it with their idols. 19 I dispersed them among the nations, and they were scattered through the countries; I judged them according to their conduct and their actions. 20 And wherever they went among the nations they profaned my holy name, for it was said of them, ‘These are the LORD’s people, and yet they had to leave his land.’ 21 I had concern for my holy name, which the house of Israel profaned among the nations where they had gone.

    22 “Therefore say to the house of Israel, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: It is NOT FOR YOUR SAKE, O house of Israel, that I am going to do these things, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations where you have gone. 23 I will show the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, the name you have profaned among them. Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Sovereign LORD, when I show myself holy through you before their eyes.

    24 “‘For I will take you out of the nations; I WILL GATHER YOU FROM ALL THE COUNTRIES AND BRING YOU BACK INTO YOUR OWN LAND. 25 I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. 26 I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh.
    “the Bible says so” no longer works for everyone, so we should just abandon that idea in favor of Palestinian concensus opinion? “the Bible says so” is the only way I know how to interpret the world.

    Did it ever occur to anyone that if the Palestinians would actually recognize and come up under the authority of the Israelis, most of their problems would be solved? I don’t know much about life over there but don’t some peaceful Palestinians maintain employment in Israel? Don’t Israeli public defenders represent Palestinians who come before Isreali courts? They are getting their rights. But they don’t want their rights — they want their brother’s land.

    “Deceitful and murderous”? You wholly characterize it that way; completely one-sided? Your view appears to reflect bias.

  70. A coupple of other thoughts I forgot (of course)

    “But since when does God care what people think of Him.”

    I prefer to think of it like this:

    Isaiah 55:8-9
    “For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
    neither are your ways my ways,”
    declares the LORD.
    9 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so are my ways higher than your ways
    and my thoughts than your thoughts.

    You also said this: “the Bible says so” doesn’t work for the majority of the people in the world.

    I figured that out a long time ago; we the effects of that philosophy all over. But (un?)fortunately for me, it is the way I choose to interpret the world and it still provides the answers for each and every human being on this planet, whether they know it or not.

  71. http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4245/enough-walid-shoebat-why-is-sean-hannitys-fake-terrorist-harassing-me/

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat if you were posing as “Elizabeth Taylor.” to harass and slander me. God bless you in Christ Jesus. God bless you in Christ Jesus. I forgive and love you in Christ Jesus.

    The lady on the link said you posed as “Sandra Medina” to harass her. God bless you Mr. Shoebat.

  72. ““Deceitful and murderous”? You wholly characterize it that way; completely one-sided? Your view appears to reflect bias.”

    Yes, look at the history of Zionism, some of its leaders and the British role in establishing Israel where it is. You will see deception and murder.

    I’m not saying the Palestinians are without fault, but I’m saying we need to understand their perspective. We go over the top trying to understand the Jews, but we fail to see where the Palestinians are coming from and why they act as they do.

  73. Dean M., your point of view is very interesting and like nothing I’ve ever heard before. Thank you for taking time to share this with us!

    • Glad to share, Susanne. I came to this site because of meeting Mosab Yousef at a gathering in Northern California sponsored by a Christian group called Calvary Chapel. I had read his book. Then, seeing the advertisement for his appearance at this gathering, I went there to hear him talk. He seemed very sincere and devoted to his faith in Jesus.

  74. Yes, I agree with you Susanne. I am trying to understand (in a biblical context). I love Palestinians and have high hopes they will become very blessed!

    No doubt all histories contain elements of deception/murder but you can’t wholly characterize that as the means by which modern-day Israel was founded. It was the result of land allocation following war and that’s what happens when wars are won/lost – new boundaries/new countries form and sometimes old ones disappear. That’s the reality of war. The Arab states all around Israel could have/should have easily absorbed their own, but chose not to do so.

    And, as you said, Palestinians have conducted their fair share in the deception/murder department.

    It really is miraculous that it happened at all, given the opposition.

  75. I also thank you Dean, for your thoughts! I wish I had more time right now; maybe we can discuss in more detail later.

    Forgot to say also that I think indoctrination of hate (by Islam) plays a big part in all this and that is often overlooked.

    • God bless you Mr. Shoebat. I forgive you for how you have treated me. The Lord will repay you for how you have treated me. All the evil you said against me comes upon yourself. God bless you Mr. Shoebat.

      When you arose against my Brother in Christ you made mistake. But when you arose against me, you made a huge, gigantic, monumental mistake.

      Lord Jesus loves me more than you could ever comprehend.

      Sometimes, I think the Lord brings people against me, so he can be authorized to “handle” them. Just like He brought countries against Israel, coming out of Egypt, so he could “handle” those countries.

      God bless you Mr. Shoebat. I love you in Christ Jesus. I forgive you in Christ Jesus for how you have treated me. God bless you Mr. Shoebat in Christ Jesus.

      In the Name of Lord Jesus Christ stop deceiving people and leave Mr. Yousef in peace, and leave me in peace as well. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat/”Elizabeth Taylor”/”Sandra Medina” and probably more alias. God bless you Mr. Shoebat.

    • Goodbye Mr. Shoebat. Keep in mind all the evil you say against me comes upon yourself. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

    • Would be happy to discuss more, Elizabeth. I don’t always have time to do this sort of thing. But I agree with you about the part played by Islam.

      One major problem for the region is the refusal of the Palestinians to accept the right of Israel to even exist. Now, President Obama, whom I believe to be a crpyto-Muslim, has just stated that Israel should withdraw to its borders before 1967. That would make the modern State of Israel indefensible. So the stage is being set for WWIII and a continuation of the Holocaust. Netanyahu is on his way to DC right now and will be speaking before Congress to try to avoid such a calamity.

      We, Jews, however, are, in part, bringing about our own demise in Israel. 78% of Jewish voters in the US voted for Obama. Liberalism in the US is aligned with Islam (see David Horowitz’s book, UNHOLY ALLIANCE: RADICAL ISLAM & THE AMERICAN LEFT). We also allowed for a “gay pride” parade down the streets of the Holy City, which helps promote a sin for which the Torah says the land will vomit us out if we so promote it. (Conservative & Reform branches of Judaism now accept homosexual marriage and ordination to the rabbinate. They outnumber the Orthodox, who are afraid to speak out forcefully against this loss of a true, moral Biblical sanction among fellow Jews.)

      The Toral of Liberalism has replaced the Torah of G-d for a majority of Jews (see Norman Podhoretz’s book, WHY ARE JEWS LIBERAL?).

      I would say that the birth pains for the coming of Messiah are upon us–a continuation of the 5th Seal of John’s Revelation?

      • Dean, you are way too smart for me!! :-)

        As I’m sure you are aware, there are many different viewpoints/ interpretations regarding Bible prophecy. All I can say is I read the Bible “literally” except where it is obviously meant to be figurative. In my opinion, the doctrine of the “Perspicuity” of the Scriptures is very legitimate — any old person can pick it up and by the power of the Holy Spirit, can understand what it is teaching.

        Obviously I believe Jesus Christ fulfilled all the OT prophecies about the Messiah and therefore he is the Messiah.

        I’m not really “up” on the specifics of “end times” Bible prophecy right now! I believe Jesus will be returning (2nd coming) sometime “soon”. Also, Ezekiel 38,39 tells of the invasion of Israel by the nations that surround it. It’s so facscinating that until 5/14/48, there was no nation of Israel to invade! How could it possibly happen like the Bible says? Everyone thought it was all bunk!! Anyway, this war will end with God (alone) coming to Israel’s rescue and the dramatic defeat of these enemies… so that “I will be known in the eyes of many nations, and they shall know that I am the Lord.”

        Some then postulate this will somehow lead to Israel singing a peace treaty with the AntiChrist (I think) and that he will eventually turn of the Jewish nation and seek their total annhilation, but 144,000 will be spared/protected as witnesses. In the end, the remnant will turn to Jesus Christ and recognize him as Savior.

        I think I said all that right! We are living in very incredible times. Peace and Blessings to you Dean,
        Elizabeth

  76. The Hebron massacre this woman refers too is from a time before there was a modern state of Israel. Before there was an Israeli Army. Before there was a separation wall on the West Bank. Before the Nazi’s in Germany. Before there were any borders between Israel and Jordan. Before any so-called “Israeli Oppression” could “frustrate” the “Palestinians”.

    It was an unprovoked attack, and as you can see in the video, the old woman is very proud about it and the fact that her father not only murdered people but looted their homes.

    http://youtu.be/T64JIgs5C6k

    This was filmed last weekend for Gaza TV.

    • wow…powerful statement. Following the footsteps of the prophet. She herself called it a “massacre” and appears very boastful about it! Really shows the mentality of hate that has always existed in Palestine, long before the Jewish state came into existence.

      Thanks for sharing, Janet

  77. Shame on you Walid for your attack on Mosab. I too am a Muslim convert to Christianity and have seen both you and Mosab speak live. Before your senseless attack on Mosab I had respect for you. But it is apparent that Mosab’s refusal to work with you in some speaking engagements you wanted him for has caused you to turn on him. Again shame on you for not obeying Matthew 18 principles.

    Mosab is as genuine a Christian as I have ever met. Why do you want to lie and attack Mosab’s faith in Jesus? The hate in your heart clearly shows me and the world that you do not understand the grace of God and his work on the cross. I don’t doubt Mosab’s faith in Jesus but your faith in anything but yourself is highly questionable.

    Instead of picking on Mosab (Whom you have not even met or talked to) why don’t you focus your life on the teachings of Jesus, learn the meaning of Grace and Forgiveness, speak against the atrocities happening right now in the Middle East at the hands of dictators and focus your energies on Satan rather than Christian brothers. Please also read Matthew 18 and learn how to properly not publically confront someone. Your public denouncement of Mosab embarrasses me and the cause of Christ for which Mosab and I live for.

    Thank You Mosab for standing for Jesus. You are a true friend of God, Israel and peace loving Muslims everywhere.

    In His Service,
    Toby

    • Toby, I recommend you see Mosab’s Video speaking to Arab Media and then come back and respond, before you say anything about Walid Shoebat. I read Mosab’s Book and I was very concerned when he called Israel an occupier, for the Bible clearly states that the Land belong to the Jews. See other posts above by Elizabeth and others or open up your own Bible and read.
      Do you agree with what Mosab said on the Arab Media???? This is what I want to know!!!!
      Nicole

      • Hi Nicole,

        I have seen the whole interview, and Mosab’s view on the Middle East in no way makes me doubt his faith in Jesus or his love of Israelis and Palestinians. However I do have several concerns about Walid I want to share with you.

        First: Walid decided to confront Mosab publically not in private nor with his pastor/elders. He cowardly blasted him on his website. This is a sad way for Walid to show himself as somehow the better Muslim convert/expert on everything biblical.

        Second: I hope you know this but to be a good Christian does not mean you must have to have a perfect viewpoint on the Israeli/Palestinian occupation. (there are plenty of Christians on both sides) Mosab’s years as a Shen Bet spy, stopping Muslim terrorist attacks speaks volumes louder to me than Walid’s verbal support of Israel. Mosab does not defend Israel or Palestine, he stands for Jesus, forgiveness and against terrorism and extremism of any kind! Walid misses this point completely.

        Third: Another sad part of this story is Walid’s hypocrisy in that 2 years ago he sent Mosab an email asking him to come and tour with him on university campuses and other speaking engagements to raise money. {Read the Oct 15, 2008 email to Mosab by Keith Davies, Director of Shoebat’s foundation}. Since Mosab did not respond Walid now stabs Mosab in the back. This speaks to Walid’s anger and spite of Mosab.

        Needless to say Walid does not show himself to be a man of high character in this exchange. I congratulate Walid in doing just what Satan wants Christians to do: cause fights with each other to distract them from the main point of sharing Jesus love and sacrifice with the 4 Billion lost in our world. If Walid is a true believer he will make a public apology for his slander of Mosab if not I and many others have lost all respect for him.

        May God somehow be honored through all of this mess…

        Toby

  78. Mosab,

    I am not the type to write on blog posts, but I just felt that I needed to write here to show my support for you. I have read your book and am amazed and thankful for how God has used you in such difficult circumstances. You truly have risked laying down your life for others. Risked your life, in what God brought you through, so that both Jews and Palestinians might have a chance to live their lives to God’s intended fullness for them. And it’s awesome that you came to know the Prince of Peace, Jesus. The one who makes our hearts right, delivers us from our blindness, that blindness that caused us to think that the line between good and evil ran between ‘us’ and ‘them’, but in reality ran right through our hearts.

    It is so disappointing to see that after you have come out of the political and religious fights in the Holy Land, that now in America, those who profess to call themselves followers of Christ, are trying to drag you through their own political and theological battles. For me, as a young person who has grown up through, and been turn off by the hypocrisy and garbage that has infected Christianity in western world, its was so refreshing reading your raw, down to earth, testimony and how God is using you. I respect the authenticity you display in how you conduct yourself.

    So I just want to let you know that there are Christians out here that support you through these attacks and who can see that these types of things are a distraction to what’s really important. That is for God to use us to make known Christ’s Kingdom and rule over the ENTIRE WORLD and his plan to rescue and restore EVERYONE who receives him!

    I hope that we all can put down the meaningless divisions that we put up and see that “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, neither male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

    Daniel

  79. I went and bought Mr. Yousef’s book today, at our local Barnes and Nobel. I am excited to read.

    When Mr. Shoebat attacked Mr. Yousef publicly, what must have been slander, since that is apparently Mr. Shoebat’s gig. Mr. Shoebat did not realize that Mr. Yousef is like a hand or arm on the body of Christ. When you attack a hand or arm on the body of Christ you attack the whole body.

    I am like a pinky on the body of Christ. But I am a pinky Lord Jesus loves dearly, I am the Apple of Lord Jesus’ eye. When Mr. Shoebat attacked Mr. Yousef, like an arm on the body of Christ, and me, like a pinky on the body of Christ, Mr. Shoebat did not realize that the Head of the Body of Christ is Lord Jesus and his head is attached to his body. When Mr. Shoebat attacked Mr. Yousef and me, Mr. Shoebat attacked Lord Jesus.

    So God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. Here is some more Word for you, Mr. Shoebat.

    Psalms 2:12 “Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. Blessed are those who take refuge in him.”

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. Apparently, you like to pretend to be women and bully women. God bless you Mr. Shoebat.

    Jesus is Lord. Thank You Lord Jesus!!!! Lord Jesus ALWAYS comes through for me and Mr. Yousef, too. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

  80. Mr. Shoebat, One more thing, Lord Jesus is very picky about how you treat what belongs to him.

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat, people like you do a big disservice to people seeking God and the truth. I pray the Lord holds you responsible for all the people you have been a stumbling block too. By the Grace of God, those people hear the truth of Christ and accept him.

    Mr. Shoebat, you represent neither Jews nor Christians. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

    I believe the Lord has got your number. God bless you Mr. Shoebat.

    I will leave you with this last Word, Mr. Shoebat,

    Hebrews 10:31 “It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.” God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. Game Over. God bless you Mr. Shoebat aka Elizabeth Taylor and Sandra Medina and more alias.

    God is Good, God is Very Good.
    Jesus is Lord to the Glory of God the Father, and I am so blessed.

  81. Hi Mosab

    Mosab, you carry the fragrance of Christ. The gospel is wonderfully simple- it’s Jesus!… The perfect representation of the Father.
    Blessings
    Wed love for you to visit if your ever in los Angeles.

  82. And now for something entirely different… I didn’t use to take much notice of modern day prophecy but since reading this I have not stopped thinking about it. The man who said it is genuine and I believed it is truly straight from God.

    Lance Lambert
    Sunday 18 April 2010, Jerusalem Israel

    “Do not fear neither be dismayed for that which is coming upon the face of the earth, for I am with you, says The Lord. Nevertheless I have a serious controversy with the nations. They are seeking to divide My Land says The Lord, the land that I covenanted to give to Abraham and to his seed after him through Isaac and Jacob, as an everlasting inheritance. This I will not allow without devastating judgment upon those nations who pursue this plan. I have arisen with intense and furious anger and will not back down until I have destroyed their well being. I will cause their economies to fail, and their financial system to break down, and even the climate to fail them! I will turn them upside down and inside out and they will not know what has hit them, whether they be super powers or not. For I am the only One, the Almighty God and besides me there is none to compare.

    Do they believe that in their arrogance they can contradict and nullify covenants that I the Almighty have made? Do they believe that they can change what has gone forth from My mouth with impunity? It is My Word and My decree that has gone forth concerning the seed of Abraham. It will not be changed by man. I and I alone am Almighty. Do not fear!

    For this reason a new and a far more serious phase of judgment is commencing. Do not fear, it is I who is shaking all things. Remember that in Me you have peace but in the world tribulation. Trust Me! I am shaking all things so that which cannot be shaken may remain. When all your circumstances become abnormal, discover in Me your peace, your rest and your fulfillment.

    In this phase the old and powerful nations will become as if they are third world countries, super powers will no longer be super powers but countries such as India and China will arise to take their place. A great company of the redeemed will come out of these two countries. In all this change, do not fear.

    I know your weakness and your tendency to fear, but do not be dismayed at these things. In the midst of all this shaking, this turmoil and strife, there are two peoples that lie at it’s heart, the true and living church and Israel. I will use these matters, these events, to purify one and to save the other! Do not fear, above the storms, the shaking, and the conflict, I am the Everlasting and Almighty One. In Me you cannot be shaken, you can only lose what is not worth holding!”

    So as we can see, God does very much care what is happening to His land and His people. He is angry with those who do not care about His promises or covenants and are helping to divide His land and He will punish those nations who are not supporting and helping Israel.

    Walid is right in what he says and I fully agree that this is a serious matter and all Christians should also be supporting Israels right to the undivided land God has given to his Chosen ones.

    I am very sad to see the conflict here between Walid and Youssef and also on the comments. This is satans ploy to get our eyes off the real conflict….between good and evil, God and satan. Let’s not get bogged down in our own pettiness but to look at the big picture of God and how He views the whole scene.

    To see more of Lance Lamberts prophecies go here….he has 6 of them.
    http://lancelambert.org/prophetic.php

    Please lets’ pray for peace and for God’s will to be done and that we will view things the way God does.

  83. Shayna,

    You are one of the most disfunctional people I have ever heard open their mouth. You speak with an anti-Christ spirit and it is demonic. Jesus never felt the need to defend Himself when He was walking this earth and if you are a true believer then I dare you to shut your mouth and be like the One you claim to love and follow.

    Oh and I’m glad to know you actually bought the book of the author who wrote the blog you post 75% of all comments on. Wow.

  84. Shayna, please keep it coming! I was thinking about you today and I believe the Lord truly is using you… to boost Mr. Shoebat’s credibility and to expose the (majority?) view of the degenerate Arab/Palestinian “Christian” Church. Do most people in your church think like you? I find your posts useful, but I am a little concerned because you seem completely consumed by me.

  85. Also, here is the verse where God first promised the land to Abraham:

    Genesis 13:14-17
    The LORD said to Abram after Lot had parted from him, “Lift up your eyes from where you are and look north and south, east and west. 15 All the land that you see I will give to you and your offspring[a] *forever.* 16 I will make your offspring like the dust of the earth, so that if anyone could count the dust, then your offspring could be counted. 17 Go, walk through the length and breadth of the land, for I am giving it to you.”

    Note the word “forever”. Sounds like an unconditional promise to me.

  86. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat aka Elizebeth Taylor aka Sandra Medina
    Do you wear women’s clothes when you pretend to be a woman? Just curious.

    http://www.jpost.com/Features/Article.aspx?id=96502

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/4245/enough-walid-shoebat-why-is-sean-hannitys-fake-terrorist-harassing-me/

  87. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat aka Elizabeth Taylor aka Sandra Medina

    http://www.jpost.com/Features/Article.aspx?id=96502

  88. Mr. Shoebat,

    Jpost researched you and did a whole article on you. I posted the link. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. Just like Maddoff. God bless you. The Lord will handle you. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

  89. Hello Dean M, Thanks for your interesting post. Just a note about the two thirds of Jews who will perish and where you say only one third have so far perished. Some say that the two thirds have already perished if you take into account down through the ages, from the beginning of the Jewish till now…counting all the pogroms, massacres, holocaust etc. Just another idea. I have also heard that many Rabbis and Orthodox Jews secretly believe that Jesus was truly the Messiah. So, times are very interesting right now and I feel privileged to be living in such a time. Why are we wasting it with bickering and squabbling amoung ourselves.

    While I respect and admire Youssef I fear that in promoting the division of Gods land…this is not pleasing to God. May God forgive him.
    Thank you Walid S. for trying to show him what is GOD’S will and desire, straight from the Bible. And thank you for the amazing work you do and zeal the you have for God. God Bless you both in your witness for Him.

  90. Shayna, I think you have said enough here. You are a wolf in sheeps clothing. Please stop your attention seeking and do something useful.

    • Hey Mr. Shoebat. God bless you. I am curious though. Mr. Shoebat, do you wear women’s clothes when you are pretending to be women?

      I can see you like to pretend to be women, and you like to bully women. Next time, pretend to be Bridget Bardot. She is good.

    • Mr. Shoebat you are a wolf in sheeps clothing or women’s clothing. God bless you Mr. Shoebat aka Elizabeth Taylor aka Sandra Medina aka Jillian McLay

      God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

  91. I am too busy and lazy to read all of these comments. Are you two going to meet up and talk it out? What do you think of what Walid said?

    • God bless you Caroline or Mr. Shoebat. Who knows at this point. By the Grace of God, Mr. Yousef stays far from Mr. Shoebat. God bless Mr. Shoebat aka Elizabeth Taylor, aka Sandra Medina aka Jillian McLay

  92. Mr. Shoebat, I am sad whatever happened to you in life that caused you to act like that. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

    • “role-playing is often the natural by-product of a fractured, if not broken, attachment process. These characters have no family except their poorly attached chameleon partners and they have no identity but the fluctuating, fleeting roles they play on behalf of cons – this is supported by long-standing research that correlates ungrounded roots with problematic personalities..”

      Soure:Psychology Today

      I always try to understand what makes people act like they do, in order to find compassion on people. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. I pray you find some peace in life.

  93. One thing is crystal clear now. The so called Palestinian-Christians popping up around the globe to comment are in fact wolf in sheep clothing. They know the bible like the back of their hand, they hate Israel and always end up turning to rip true believers with their sharp teeth. They always start out trying to convince you and when they can not they turn vile. The only way to stop them is delete them. The only way for Palestinians to be blessed is to bless Israel, otherwise they will remain under a curse. It is heartbreaking.

  94. Now it makes sense. Shayna is Mosab Yousef. Why else would “she” be so defensive of Yousef? Now it all makes sense….

  95. My initial comments regarding Yousef’s fractured response is worth revisiting. On one hand, he allowed his proxy Gonen to attack and accuse Mr. Shoebat of fraud without any evidence. And on the other hand, he posts his own call for love and reconciliation. Either you seek reconciliation and do not post Gonen’s slanderous attack piece, or you go for broke. But Yousef has chosen to have his cake and eat it too. He presents himself as magnanimous and uses his henchman to do the dirty work. And now it is obvious that the has obsessively been defending his position through his alter persona, “Shayna”. This is becoming a genuinely sad meltdown. Bless you Mr. Yousef.

  96. The land issue is not as clear-cut as many dispensationalists posting here are making it seem to be. Evangelical Christians have a diversity of views regarding this issue, for example see this editorial from Christianity Today:

    http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/september/16.24.html

    Also there are a number of well respected conservative Christians who hold literal interpretation of the scriptures in high regard and through that respect for Gods word see the Land issue very differently than the dispensationalist.

    Two examples:

    John Piper,

    http://www.desiringgod.org/resource-library/sermons/israel-palestine-and-the-middle-east

    And Tom Wright,

    http://www.ntwrightpage.com/Wright_Holy_Land_Today.htm

    So it’s not fair to portray Mosab as someone who is off track in espousing some extreme Palestinian liberation views.

    • Hi Daniel,

      Thanks for posting those links! I realize there are different “views” concerning Isarel within Orthodox Christianity. I am trying to find out which is most biblical because they cannot be all equally valid at the same time, logically speaking.

      I looked at CT article and I agree for the most part! I also skimmed John Piper. God gave the land to Abraham’s descendants and yes, their use of the land was conditional on their obedience. But, from what I could tell, Piper does not consider many key OT verses, particularly the Ezekiel references I cited above. Their ultimate return will not be conditional on their behavior, but in spite of their disobedience so the “conditional covenant” argument looses its basis. And isn’t that “just like God”? Undeserved favor — Amazing Grace!?

      Here’s the thing: As you read the biblical text it becomes clear that God gave the land to Israel; it is theirs even if the Israelites have been kicked out for bad behavior and others are living in it. In God’s eyes, though it still “belongs” to Abraham’s descendants. Would you not agree with that statement?

      So then, does he want a separate “state” created within its bounds? Ezekiel tells us “No” and that those who attempt to claim this land as their own (not those who live peacefully within it) are considered “enemies”. Piper did not deal with these Scriptures as far as I could see.

      So, reasoning from biblical truth, God is firmly opposed to a Palestinian “state”. If the land belongs to Israel, how could it be God’s will to establish a separate country within its bounds? Are you saying the OT Scriptures/prophecies have no bearing on our “modern” times?

      • I don’t often have time to comment, but here it is days later and maybe some are still following the line of thought here.

        Elizabeth, the traditional Orthodox Jewish understanding (“Modern Orthodoxy” is a late development) has been that we will be restored to our land when Messiah comes, not before. All the Messianic scriptures point to this. We are to remain subject to the nations until then. To try to “establish the vision,” as Daniel says, before the right time, is to court disaster.

        Many Christian people are misreading the Hebrew scripture because they see the Zionist movement as fulfillment of prophecy. It is a fulfillment of prophecy, but not the prophecy they think. It is the prophecy of ultimate failure when the House of Israel acts on its own without regard to the Holy One.

        This weeks Torah reading (Numbers 1:1–4:20) includes the assignment of the Levites and mentions that anyone who approaches the sanctuary as a priest who is not called to be a priest shall die. (Some English translations say, “be put to death,” but that is not what it says in Hebrew.) What this means is, when we, as “foreigners” to God, try to anticipate His will and act without His authority and presume to be doing His will, we bring death upon ourselves. Only the cohens, the priests who were the sons of Aaron, were permitted to draw nigh to the altar. Even two sons of Aaron, priests, who offered “strange (foreign) fire” died at the altar.

        Zionism is a secular movement that Modern Orthodoxy has appropriated. It goes against traditional Jewish Orthodoxy. Because religious Jews have jumped onto the secular Zionist bandwagon, many Christians have been misled into thinking it is God at work.

        Thus they think the modern State of Israel is the beginning of the fulfillment of the prophecies of Israel’s redemption. They overlook what such things as Jewish support of Obama, to include hundreds of liberal rabbis’ endorsement of him at a website they set up on the internet. They overlook secular and liberal religious Jewish support and the promotion of a “Gay Pride” parade down the streets of the Holy City. And among these there are those who want to make Tel Aviv the “Gay capitol of the world” because of its night life. The Torah says the holy land will vomit us out if we promote this particular kind of sin.

        It makes me very sad to point this out. I wish it were otherwise. The prophet Zechariah said we would lose 2/3rds of our people before the redemption. At our apogee in population before WWII, we had 18 million. We lost 1/3rd then. Are we to lose another third now? Things seem to be going that way.

        There is a black Christian minister in New York that prophesied back in 2008 that Obama made a secret agreement to give the State of Israel to the Arabs in 2011 if Pakistan would give him Bin-Laden. Shortly after Bin-Laden was killed, Obama tells Israel to go back to its pre-1967 borders. This minister, Rev. James David Manning, has said some “far out” things, but some of them come close to the truth. God speaks through people at times–those who are trying to serve Him. In short, we must be careful not to impose a theoretical scheme on prophecy. The Restoration of Israel comes when Messiah comes. Zionism, the modern ideology, is not traditional Orthodox Judaism.

  97. Abbaganoush, You are probably Mr. Shoebat, too. At least, this time you are posing as a man. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

    I read in Psychology Today, when I was reseaching this: That if a child does not bond with a primary person before the age of five years, they will never bond with anyone. (paraphrased)

    Of course, the reseach I mentioned previously: “role-playing is often the natural by-product of a fractured, if not broken, attachment process. These characters have no family except their poorly attached chameleon partners and they have no identity but the fluctuating, fleeting roles they play on behalf of cons – this is supported by long-standing research that correlates ungrounded roots with problematic personalities..”

    That explains a lot of your behavior. I can only figure, after reseaching people who con, that you had a childhood where you did not get the love needed and bonding needful.

    I also hypothesize that since you pose as females, primarily, and bully females, posing as a female, that your anger directed towards women, is really anger directed towards your mother, for what she did or did not do.

    That makes me sad, for the little boy that you were.

    Repent turn around, Mr. Shoebat. You got yourself into a whole heap of trouble with the Lord slandering people. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. I hope you find it in your heart to sincerely repent and turn around.

    People can’t help their childhoods, but we are responisble for how we treat people when we are adults. Repent, turn around.

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. JPost figured you out, probably because you were taking money from Jewish people.

    You turn Jewish and Christian people against eachother, posing as a Christian. You are very wrong. You turn Christians and Muslims against eachother by making accusations, that are more than likely false, with your 666 assertions. Mr. Shoebat, you are on google.

    On youtube video, you are caught in a lie about planting something you sometimes say you planted, and said you did not plant it in Fox News interview.

    You got caught lying about going to an Islamic school and then later said on tape that you went to a Christian school. Your lies were caught on tape.

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. You make enemies out of people who could be friends. But people are figuring you out. By the Grace of God, all relations that you turned bitter will be restored to hopeful.

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. Trust me I am a very beautiful girl that the Lord uses. You mistreated me, Mr. Shoebat, the Lord is authorized to “handle” you. As per the blessing of Abraham that I have in Christ Jesus. Galations 3:14.

    “He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.”

    The blessing of Abraham. Genesis 12:3 “I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse…”

    The Lord bless those who bless me and you know the rest, Mr. Shoebat.

    Some Christians may not know what they have in Christ Jesus. I have been with the Lord since I was a little girl. I fell in love with Lord Jesus going to Bible class, and reading how Lord Jesus treated females and children with dignity, respect and equality.

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. Just because you pose as women does not mean others do, too. Mr. Shoebat, I think you are one of only a few men who would pose as a female. LOL God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. How many of the people on this blog are you?

  98. By the way, Mr. Shoebat, I can see from one of the links, I provided, where you posed as “Sandra Medina” to harass a lady; and, my experience with you where you posed as “Elizabeth Taylor” to bully, slander and harass me, that you enjoy bullying females.

    Mr. Shoebat. I enjoy watching Lord Jesus kick booty. It excites me to watch Lord Jesus kick backside. Oh, Lord Jesus is alive. Lord Jesus is my Hero. He always defends, protects, vindicates me.

    Jesus is Lord, to the Glory of God the Father.

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat

  99. Mosab, I hope you are tracking this thread. You may need to give the Police some URLs because there are some threats being posted.

    • God bless you, Mr. Shoebat aka Sandra Medina aka Elizabeth Taylor aka Jillian McLay aka Abbaganoush aka Janet Kingan

      How many people do you got in there, Mr. Shoebat? God bless you. I notice you like to pose as females. LOL

      You try to bully and intimidate people. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. You FAIL.

      Jesus is Lord, Mr. Shoebat.

      • It is the Lord who handles you, Mr. Shoebat. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat

    • Oh, by the way, Mr. Shoebat. I am protected Forever in the Name of Lord Jesus Christ.

      God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

    • Additionally, Mr. Shoebat, no weapon forged against me will prevail, it is my heritage as a servant of the Lord. From Isaiah 54:17

      God bless you Mr. Shoebat. You are sounding desperate. God bless you.

  100. By the way, Mr. Shoebat, Lord Jesus Christ in me is greater than he who is in you. from 1 John 4:4

    God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

  101. By the way, Mr. Shoebat. You are wicked dude, but I love you in Christ Jesus.

  102. Shayna, I am beginning to agree with the person who said you are mentally deranged. I hope Youssef can delete all your stupid posts. Give it a break…you are just making a fool of yourself! We are all proper people here, no-one is posing as anyone else. Go and get a life you silly woman.

    • God bless you, Mr. Shoebat aka Sandra Medina aka Elizabeth Taylor aka Jillian McLay aka Abbaganoush aka Janet Kingan

      • “Abbaganoush”- I figure is for Baba ghanoush, an Arab dish of aubergine (eggplant) mashed and mixed.

        Was that your favorite meal, Mr. Shoebat? God bless you.

  103. Somebody forgot to take his meds…

    • God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

      Christians get the mind of Christ which is peace and life in the Holy Spirit. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat aka Sandra Medina aka Elizabeth Taylor aka Jillian McLay aka Abbaganoush aka Janet Kingan

      You can’t help your childhood, but you can help your adulthood. I pray you find some peace in your heart. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat.

  104. Ever heard that song “Insane in the membrane”…? Ya, that would be you Shayna. Baaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahah

    • God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. I am putting you in the Lord’s hands. I promise, you will never silence me.

      God bless you Mr. Shoebat and all your allias. Goodbye Mr. Shoebat. It was certainly interesting meeting you. God bless you, Mr. Shoebat. I pray you come to sincere repentance.

  105. Shayna, do you belly dance?

  106. Seriously Mosab, get some help.

  107. Shayna, it feels like trampling on a bruised reed to talk to you in any way. I think it’s best if people just ignore you. The lord would not break a bruised reed. And people seriously have been harsh to you….. Listen to this word of wisdom:

    James 1
    19Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath: 20For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

    That goes to Shayna as well as those trying to rebuke/silence her.

    Lets not defile this page where Mosab and Walid could try to sort out this matter. Just saying…… We are called to live holy lives, not to fight and curse eachother.

  108. I have read as many of these responses as possible over a period of several days…There are a few people here who speak so politely so kindley, May the Lord bless you, thank you Christian for your most swet loving and holy response. It encouraged me in another matter. Its really funny, sometimes we talk as though Jesus were far away. Christ bless you Shayna,:) I love you.
    I think if we all met each other ,we would like and love each other.
    May the Lord work by His Spirit to bring peace and unity in His body. I would advise Mosab to say no more for a long time, he has said just enough, and beautifully.

  109. Hi there re way more impotent issues here than this guy. Example Syria Hamas joins palstian gov Obama saying Isreal 1967 borders Libia can you talk about these in a blog thanx Gary thanx again for all your work in the shin bet

  110. If you think that there was ever a nation called Palestine, please answer these questions:
    1. Who was the king/president/prime minister of Palestine before 1948?
    2. What was the currency of Palestine before 1948?
    3. What was the capital of Palestine before 1948?

    • From 1923 to 1948 England ruled Palestine under the British Mandate for Palestine as stipulated in various agreements under the League of Nations. Neither Arabs nor Jews were given sovereignty but came under the “suzerainity of an Arab Chief” which in this case was the Sherif of Mecca. Zionists, in order to live in the land, had to secure an agreement with the Sherif of Mecca.

      So, in answer to your questions:
      1. The Sherif of Mecca was the suzerain under British rule.
      2. The currency was the Palestine pound based on othe British pound sterling.
      3. There was no official capitol because neither Arabs nor Jewish Zionists in the region had sovereignty. The unofficial capitol since ancient times has been the Holy City, Jerusalem.

  111. Oh Mousab!
    I’m sorry for what our brothers and sisters are doing to you. Forgive them! I think that you’re concentrating on the right thing: THE LOVE OF JESUS CHRIST. Let us love the israelis as the palestines and arabs… Without love we’re nowhere! (1 Cor 13:1-3).
    My heart is full of JOY for what you are representing, Mousab. I will soon be in the middle of this area with ONE purpose: to love the arabs, palestines and muslims with the love of HE who wants us all to be one in HIM – Jesus Christ, a.k.a. The Son.

    The Lord is always at your side, my dear brother.
    Alex

  112. Shame on both of you…. This public bickering does nothing to promote the cause of Christ and his kingdom. Sit down and talk to one another or be silent on this matter.

  113. i’d like to thank you Mosab,for sharing your experiences with us!
    I know the Lord will give you strength my brother!The devil will always try to stir us up and make us turn back on disobeing God.There will always be people who will provoke us.I know you wrote from your heart and i know that the Lord is working through you.If one follows Jesus he will do everything for the glory of Jesus not for he’s own glory. God bless you my brother!

  114. @ Allen-on the contrary. Both have PUBLIC ministries and if there is a question of doubt as someone deceiving the Body of Christ then it needs to be made public. Just as any “Christian” who holds a public ministry or teaching platform does, as Paul publically brought Peter’s error forward and revealed…as we are admonished to do with false teachers and those in sin amidst us-they need to be exposed publically because tehy have a public spotlight and can do much damage if unchecked.

  115. Mosab
    Im sorry for all these posts. Ive read your book. Ive listened to Shoebot. I love you both. Anytime I have questioned or disagreed with something you wrote.. I prayed for you. I see you as a newer christian and we are all growing and gaining in wisdom as we seek God in our day to day lives. We all make mistakes, misspeak or speak ignorantly. BUT we all can have forgiveness and Gods grace… You are now in a more public forum than many Christians- much like a pastor or teacher.. So, you must be more cautious BUt again you are human! I pray that you will continue studying God’s word and that it will always be the final answer to all your questions and decisions. I am so thankful for Gods amazing love and how you have allowed Him in your heart. Seek first the kingdom of God…

  116. Dean M.,

    I’ve read your comments with great interest. About this:

    “Many Christian people are misreading the Hebrew scripture because they see the Zionist movement as fulfillment of prophecy. It is a fulfillment of prophecy, but not the prophecy they think. It is the prophecy of ultimate failure when the House of Israel acts on its own without regard to the Holy One.”

    I see Christians who quote many of the same OT passages Elizabeth and others have mentioned about the Jews coming back to Israel from the 4 corners of the earth. So this, in your thoughts, has to wait until the Messiah comes? I believe many folks believe the creation of Israel after allllll these years of exile was miraculous and God’s fulfilling this promise. Joel Rosenberg and his types always go point-by-point through the OT and show how this was fulfilled.

    Yet you say it is a fulfillment of something that brings disaster?

    Very interesting point of view! I’m glad you came back to share more! I admit I am caught in the middle. I grew up 100% for Israel for biblical as well as American reasons. That all changed in my 30s as I’ve learned more, met people from the region and learned other points of view that we don’t hear in American media or by the majority of the pastors who believe like most commenting on this blog. So I grew up in that pro-Israel camp.

    And it is NOT that I am anti-Jews now. People wrongly accuse sometimes that if you speak against Israel (the current Zionist state) that you are anti-Semitic. (That – to me – is as overdone as Islamophobia; I hate both terms now.)

    So I am confused as to what my position should be. I still think we can bless the Jews without 100% endorsing everything Israel does. There are a lot of racists there. They do not do everything according to the Bible. And if I really want to bless someone, I will point them back to God rather than winking at their murderous and oppressive ways (all done for the sake of self-defense..yeah, right.)

    (Sidenote: Many Israelis themselves know this more than most Americans. Great article earlier this week by Gideon Levy who counters many points Netanyahu made – to standing ovation – to the US Congress.)

  117. I don’t mean to insert myslef here, but I think Dean quoted this Scripture above in regards to the “fulfillment of Zionism bringing disaster”

    “In Daniel 11:14–” . . and the children of the violent among thy people shall lift themselves up to establish the vision, but they shall stumble (fall).” Encrypted here in Hebrew is “ve-ha-Tzionim,” (“and the Zionites.”) Zionites would be the children of the Zionists. But the text says they shall stumble or fall.

    Dispensationalists interpret these Scriptures in Daniel to mean that Zionists will stumble and fall — by the treaty they will make with the Antichrist to divide the land in exchange for peace — right?
    There are several detailed prophecies regarding re:Antichrist in Daniel. He is going to trick the Zionists into dividing the land by promising peace, but he will be lying. After he has gained their trust and they have rebuilt their temple, he will turn on them with a vengeance — and in this way they will stumble and fall. This would be the House of Israel acting on its own without the Holy One?

    Please correct me if I am wrong about your thought process, Dean!

    • I went back and reread some comments.

      Dean also said this: “Elizabeth, the traditional Orthodox Jewish understanding (“Modern Orthodoxy” is a late development) has been that we will be restored to our land when Messiah comes, not before.

      For Orthodox Christianity, the Messiah has obviously already come, so this contigency does not apply to the fulfillment of the prophetic Jewish regathering to Israel.

      Also, Ezekiel tells us Israel is back in that land because of God grace and faithfulness, not because they have now cleaned up their act. They are undeserving of this mercy, as is all humanity of Christ’s atoning sacrifice.

      Also, if Dispensationalism is correct, after the Antichrist turns on the Jewish people, he will conduct a war against them that could result in the deaths of a large segment of their population (the final 1/3 to which you refer?)

  118. It seems like you two have the same problem (at least for now) that is occurring in Palestine/Israel. This is a ‘debate’ over ideas…. Zionism or no zionism.

    Seek God and beg Him to show you both the truth! He is real, He will reveal.

  119. This conversation went all fine and dandy… Lots of educated comments UNTIL Shayna started trolling after Elizabeth Taylor’s first post for some reason.

    You are all fine people. Especially Shayna, you had a good point in that Palestinians should acknowledge that what they are getting in Christ is more valuable than the piece of land they are squabbling over. And Jews need to understand the issue is not about their land but rather it is all about having Christ. The Enemy tries to make us think in secular so we lose the Way. I now see this, thanks to your clarification. It’s unfortunate (whether it was by purpose or chance?) that you went in on what you so passionately deemed irrelevant earlier on, and negated yourself. =(

    God Bless you all in your future posts in uniting the people in Christ.

  120. Dear Mosab,

    I had the opportunity to hear you speak a couple of months ago, which was a great blessing. When you spoke, you emphasized the importance of following Jesus, not man or religion. Your passionate heart for Jesus is very inspiring. After you spoke that night, a Muslim woman accepted Jesus as her Lord. God has used you to lead people to Him, and He will continue to use you. All this bickering back and forth reflects the religion that you rightly avoid. This religious bickering will not diminish God’s plans for you. Paul was slandered, and God still used him to teach, encourage and mentor His people. You already know that what matters is between you and God. He knows your heart is to serve Him and lead people to Him.

    I thank the Lord for you.

    In Christ’s love,

    Julie

  121. Mosab Yousef,

    I just finished reading Son of Hamas, and it is by far one of the best books I have ever read. And you really opened my eyes to exactly why peace is so difficult, and like u said…extremism is the problem…on both sides. I am a Christian and have suffered very little for my decision to follow Christ. But you have lost everything as the result of ur choosing to give your life to Him. My perspective is very different now. Honestly the biggest thing that I took away from your message was that the Middle East needs prayer…but more than that…it needs action!!! We can’t just sit back and expect others to do what MUST be done,, we all have to get involved and help make those steps towards peace!

    Thank you, and God bless you!
    Taylor, 14

  122. Dear Mosab

    I just finish reading Son of Hamas. It is an amazing read and I was truly touched by your book. Thank you brother for allowing Jesus to use you. You are like a paul of the bible. I will keep your family in my prayers. All the best my brother,

    Leonard Beharry

  123. I pray that God continues to do a good work through your life. I miss reading your commentaries here on this web page. I hope you haven’t given it up in light of the past conflict.
    May God bless you,
    Linda

  124. Mosab,

    I hope you are recharging your batteries. The church is unfortunately not as it should be, and leaders are called on to show an extraordinary ability to overcome. But Christ is still Lord, and truth is still truth. I pray you are well.

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